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An in-depth look at: Grand Admiral Thrawn

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An in-depth look at: Grand Admiral Thrawn

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Aurbere
01.23.2013 , 04:37 PM | #21
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BTW, did you catch my synopsis on the TIE Avenger?
No I did not, but let me go find it. I'll bump it and put it in the Index.
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steaktrooper
01.24.2013 , 09:28 PM | #22
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Yes. Yes he did.
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Evensong
03.08.2013 , 05:49 PM | #23
My favorite character as well. I will never forgive Timothy Zahn for killing him
I created my own Thrawn in game as well... Chiss Sniper... it's a lot of fun to play with quest choices to make them the most Thrawn-like
Makes playing the game so much more exciting
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Ventessel
03.09.2013 , 12:59 AM | #24
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Thrawn also studied art. Something that would lead to his victories in his final campaign. His study of art allowed him to see the weaknesses of his enemies and exploit them. While he was an incredible tactician, this method proved successful countless times during his final campaign.
Care to elaborate on this a little bit? I'm all for appreciating the arts, but in my experience no one has given me sagely advice along the lines of "Study great works of art, you'll learn to better perceive the flow of battles."


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He also had an incredible attention to detail. He would collect seemingly insignificant pieces of data that would prove to be invaluable. He had collected a near encyclopedic amount of data that gave him a sense of omniscience. However, this led to a couple of defeats when he assumed that his enemies knew more than they actually did.

Thrawn was also a great planner, laying out complex plans that allowed him to literally stay one step ahead of his enemies. While his enemies were still trying to figure out what exactly he was up to, he had already moved on to the next phase of his campaign. During his final campaign, Thrawn had laid out the path to victory. If not for his Noghri bodyguard, his plans would have come to fruition and he would have taken control of the galaxy.
This sounds like Thrawn had a weakness for over-thinking his plans. Complex plans are generally bad ones, especially on the battlefield. Envisioning the path to Galactic dominance and actually achieving it are worlds apart.

Nonetheless, interesting character. It's great to see some military commanders being shown as competent, and it's also refreshing to see some good military action.
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TalonVII
03.09.2013 , 07:43 AM | #25
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Care to elaborate on this a little bit? I'm all for appreciating the arts, but in my experience no one has given me sagely advice along the lines of "Study great works of art, you'll learn to better perceive the flow of battles."



This sounds like Thrawn had a weakness for over-thinking his plans. Complex plans are generally bad ones, especially on the battlefield. Envisioning the path to Galactic dominance and actually achieving it are worlds apart.

Nonetheless, interesting character. It's great to see some military commanders being shown as competent, and it's also refreshing to see some good military action.
No actually he didn't. Cause he allowed for slippage and things to change and adapt. He just had contingency plans for contingency plans. Cause he understood the first rule of warfare. No plan ever survives first contact. He didn't become wed to a plan that he rode it down in flames.

He was a tactician and a strategist who could adapt on the fly.
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03.09.2013 , 06:14 PM | #26
Another great index thread Aubere

Teaching the galaxy that the Forums have a use after all, one step at a time :P
I'm not sure as to who id like to see next, but i have to ask, do any books or comics you know of delve into the Jedi Council's rebuilding of the order shortly after the time of Meetra Surik and revan? Its an interesting topic for me...
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Aurbere
03.09.2013 , 08:08 PM | #27
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Another great index thread Aubere

Teaching the galaxy that the Forums have a use after all, one step at a time :P
I'm not sure as to who id like to see next, but i have to ask, do any books or comics you know of delve into the Jedi Council's rebuilding of the order shortly after the time of Meetra Surik and revan? Its an interesting topic for me...
Thanks!

Really, I am not really aware of any books or comics detailing the recuperation of the Jedi Order after the events surrounding Surik and Revan (I assume we are speaking pre GGW). The only one I can think of is the Revan novel, which gave a very pretty picture of the Jedi Order after three wars and the near extinction of the Jedi.
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03.09.2013 , 11:45 PM | #28
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This sounds like Thrawn had a weakness for over-thinking his plans. Complex plans are generally bad ones, especially on the battlefield. Envisioning the path to Galactic dominance and actually achieving it are worlds apart.
His plans were usually good, but as I recall he sometimes gave enemies more credit than they deserved (they couldn't possibly be that stupid) and kept secrets from his subordinates so he could impress them with his genius when he pulled a new trick out of his sleeve.

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DaveMallonee
03.10.2013 , 02:17 AM | #29
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Care to elaborate on this a little bit? I'm all for appreciating the arts, but in my experience no one has given me sagely advice along the lines of "Study great works of art, you'll learn to better perceive the flow of battles."


Thrawn studied a culture through the art it produced and gained insight into the psychological landscape of different species through their artistic expression. This allowed him to make deductions about what his opponent would do based on that insight. Zahn used this trait to add to Thrawn's mystique and explain some of the brilliant moves he made in outsmarting various New Republic commanders. YMMV on how plausible you think that is.

This sounds like Thrawn had a weakness for over-thinking his plans. Complex plans are generally bad ones, especially on the battlefield. Envisioning the path to Galactic dominance and actually achieving it are worlds apart.

Nonetheless, interesting character. It's great to see some military commanders being shown as competent, and it's also refreshing to see some good military action.
I wouldn't describe what Thrawn did as creating overly complex plans; it was more a case of orchestrating a series of events wherein everyone behaved in patterns he had already predicted and therefore had prepared a response for; and in cases where he did not have a response he was able to adapt on the fly and generally overcome others deviations from his expectations. His character was based on Irwin Rommel and Sherlock Holmes so between the two of them he has pretty strong reasons for being portrayed as smart enough to appear omniscient. Until his Noghri bodyguard stabbed him in the back. But as he said "It was so artfully done."

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Kalterien
03.10.2013 , 04:10 AM | #30
One minor thing that may need correcting: It was Voss Parck who brought Thrawn to the Empire and later served under Thrawn, not Colonel Barris.

If I recall correctly, Barris and his men had circles ran around them by Thrawn's crazy tactics on that uninhabited planet and Barris was not exactly a fan of him, likening Thrawn to a Jawa during their first meeting because of the furs he was wearing at the time.
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