Stop forcing PVP on PVE servers

The Original Poster's description of his experiences in the Gree Event, as well as my own description of my own experiences in the Gree Event, each by itself directly and fully refutes (without the need for argument or even debate) your claim that no extra consideration is needed for PvE players.

I believe I'm done making my case on this issue ... if you (and others) were only considerate (and non-abusive) of PvE players and their unique concerns from the beginning of this thread, more than a dozen pages of re-clarification of the problem with the Gree Event would not have been necessary.

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The civil rights of PvE players ...
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I won't get my hopes up until you don't post again. I will offer this in farewell though, just in case. A desire to not engage in PvP is not a civil right.

I consider it extremely rude and inconsiderate of my rights as a subscriber for you to attempt to tell me where I can and can't post my thoughts.

I find it borderline insane to ask for the benefits and rewards of something without putting in the extra work to earn it.

At least try to keep in mind that this is an MMO that attempts to please all player crowds. Therefore the events will most likely have content for all (the large majority of which tends to be PvE In case you haven't noticed)

I apologize for your inability to adapt and overcome due to your self entitled views.

So what you're saying here is that PvE players get 95% of an event all to themselves and that's *not* being given due consideration?

This is basically every single post you make. You only want the rights of the PvE player to matter. You want the PvE player to have 100% of everything cuz 95% just isn't enough. So who's not taking the rights of other players into consideration?

Do you even realize that this is all you do?

I said this before, but you can either look at this as a punishment for PvE-only players, which you clearly do, or you can look at this as a TINY bonus for players who do both. The event was made for PvE FIRST and they are able to achieve everything. If you happen to do a little PvP as a bonus you can achieve everything A LITTLE BIT faster.

Glass half full or half empty. Not only is your glass half empty but you want to drown every PvP player in it. I just don't understand why you can't let people who do PvE and PvP to have a minimal bonus. The PvE component of this event amounts to about 95% but that isn't enough for you, you want it all. Grand Acquisitions event was 100% PvE and Rakghoul plague was 99% (Bantha in Outlaw's Den). So where were the civil rights of the PvP players in those?

You are the very definition of selfish. You are clearly not speaking for every PvE-only player yet you cling to that premise. This is all about YOU and the fact that YOU want everything done YOUR way and forget what anyone else wants. YOU are upset cuz they gave one cookie from the cookie jar to someone else and YOU didn't get to hog all of them for YOURSELF.

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To be fair, you will find it a lot harder to find a player who does not want to PvE at all in an MMO. Players who do not under any circumstances want to PvP however are not quite so hard to find.
Mixing PvE elements in a mission does not provide quite the 'hardship' that mixing in PvP elements does.

However, given that the developers carefully considered adding in the PvP potential of all Gree missions, by placing them on Illum, it is kind of a moot point to complain about that. Illum is their pet open world PvP planet and it has been languishing since release (due to technical as well as design issues). They made improvements to the place and wanted to lure players back to it. Otherwise they could just as easily have the Gree ship land on Belsavis or Hoth, or an anonymous planet that just happened to looke exactly like Illum but without the PvP stuff.

He wants a PvE exclusive server and is quite adamant in his belief that this is the only way to solve the issues surrounding PvP in SW:TOR
This is however a suggestion, not something inherently wrong with the design of the Gree quest.
On the other hand, there is something wrong with the way players get flagged for PvP. This has been pointed out to the developers within the first month of the game going life. As a result of that some minor and mostly cosmetic changes were made and we can safely say at this point that the developers actually want players to quickly, easily and not necessarily voluntarily, flag for PvP.

If we cut through all the hyperbole and drama though, there are no 'civil rights' for any player and they certainly weren't violated. Placing the Gree event on any contested planet meant that PvP was a possibility, placing it on Illum was a signal that it was the desired result. But neither PvE nor PvP nor players who don't give a bleep have a 'right' to have any mission placed on any particular planet. That is entirely the discretion of the developers and players have to learn to live with wherever the mission is located.

Me? I won't be doing the Gree event when it comes back either, nor will I try to obtain HK-51 nor do any mission that requires or puts me at a substantial risk to be forced into PvP. That is my personal choice and it means that certain parts of the game are locked off to me. I do not have a 'right' to those parts and Bioware does not have an 'obligation' to make them accessible either.
I sure hope that Bioware will fix the involuntary flagging situation so that I do not have to cramp my gameplay to avoid being subjected to somebody else's idea of entertainment (at my expense), but I have no 'right' to that either. In the end if the game no longer meets my idea of fun I can stop playing. That is the only right I have as a player.

Flagging
I know cheese-flagging is a problem but not nearly as big as people seem to want to make it out to be. Like I've said, I did the event every day on 8 toons and only twice got cheese-flagged while outside the PvP area. But people like to come here and blow it way out of proportion and freak out like it happens as soon as they step off the lift.

Sure, a few people probably had a bad day with this, but the amount of times I actually saw, in chat, "omg they are going around flagging people" was very rare cuz it was usually "omg I was walking alone in the PvP area and got ganged" which has nothing to do with any flagging issue, it's the player going somewhere they knew could be trouble and unprepared and yet somehow it's the other players' fault for them getting owned.

I'm willing to bet that even if there were no flagging issues at all that this guy would still be spazzing out about how 95% PvE isn't enough for PvE people and their civil rights are being violated.


HK-51
I'm sad that you won't get him cuz of PvP. The only PvP component of this is when you walk into Outlaw's Den and spend 30s flying to the vendor, buy the item, then you can QT out. Then that's it, everything else is PvE. When HK-51 first started and there were a lot of people going for him Outlaw's Den actually had some action in it. But now it's back to being dead again. I'm now getting HK-51 on my 4 Imp toons and haven't even once seen anyone else in Outlaw's Den. I even have time to kill the rare vendor.

So please don't let this non-existent PvP aspect stop you from getting HK-51. I'll come help you if you want.


Summary

• You NEVER have to do PvP (aka 'forced') in order to do Return of the Gree, if you do choose to PvP you get a minimal reputation-only bonus for putting in the extra effort which is a great design for those of us who like to do both but had no bearing whatsoever on getting Gray Helix Components.
• The actual frequency of cheese-flagging is extremely rare and not every time you stick your head out the door like people seem to make it out to be.
• The chances of PvP during HK-51 I would put at <1% so please don't let that stop you from enjoying this fun achievement mission at least once. Gimme a call, I'll be your wing man, just don't call me "Goose".
• The Return of the Gree was designed perfectly for MOST players, gave a little trouble to a FEW players, and worked out great for even FEWER players like myself.

As a strictly PvE-focused player, I feel bad when someone who's very loud and very wrong is the only representation my niche gets. So to all those of you out there that enjoys PvP in any degree, please be aware that a lot of us who doesn't are perfectly fine with you getting some missions thrown your way too. We're also aware that participation in said missions is entirely optional and not neccessary to reach our gear and reputation goals.

I only PvP. Yet I'm practically forced to go through every planet to gain levels at a decent rate. I am then forced to PvE again for credits to augment my gear. I am also forced to either PvE for the credits to buy crew skill matts, or actually PvE to gain them anyway. You get an event that has an OPTIONAL PvP area and you're acting like you're given no consideration? ....

Everyone is still mis-representing what is being requested for PvE players.

How absolutely pathetic.