Read in the Paper: Ea is going to add P2W to all their games

I said that 310 item doesn't exist. You make sure to let me know, just as soon as it shows up. I'll need to buy a few.

Note: You probably shouldn't hold your breath waiting. It might be some time before such imaginary items arrive. I would *hate* to have you or Uri asphyxiate. And, you know, I know some folks can be so literal about silly little things.

Because that would either mean BW has to give out 4-5 crystals every time or make the crystal useless when you level up. I imagine that in time they will create scalable gear/mod as seen in WoW and it would be a far better solution then +41 stat crystal at lvl 10, but I imagine that isn't something easily done.

Responses like this make me feel like you're trolling.

I'm just trying to understand were your "boundary" for considering something p2w is.

You seem to have a "too high stats" boundary because you don't consider the +34 to +10 benefit the crystals give to be p2w but you would consider +200-ish stats benefit to be p2w.

I'm curious where you stand on PvP vs. PvE p2w (I suspect you wouldn't call anything PvE p2w ever) and on whether or not you'd ever consider something that could be obtained by any (secondary) player without spending real money, like by putting it on gtn, as p2w.

And, again, I'm not here to discuss boundaries with you. You may want to put up a poll or survey somewhere, if you'd genuinely like to research the issue.

Note, I work for a company that sells survey design and results analysis software, if you're interested.

If you're just here to play the forum min-game, I doubt I can be much help.

So in other words, they did it to reduce investment while maximizing value and thus revenue? I can see them making that decision.

Do you consider them p2w?

Cool. So you're unwilling to describe where your p2w line is, or you haven't figured it out yourself yet. Maybe you'll just "know it when you see it"?

Good to know.

Well. Creating a scaling item is already possible.

Speeders scale to your level of speeder training.

Shields and Foci scale their tech / force bonus based on the mods you put in.

Scaling is possible. Not sure why the crystals don't autoscale to level. But, again, 2 +41s at lvl 10, vs. the stock crystals isn't really that big a difference. A few of my alts have 2 crystals. A few don't. Doesn't really matter to me.

Yep. I don't know art either. But, I've got a nice Escher print that I like.

Note: A sample size of 1 is not generally considered statistically significant.

No, you're trying to get him to define his boundaries so that you can be sarcastic and snide and say,
Okay then...

Who's really trolling?

Top tier PvE gear that is bind on aquire in game and can only be obtained by grinding faction/rep to high levels and/or via grinding hardmode ops suddenly being sold in the Cartel Shop would be considered by most sane and practical people as turning PvE into P2W (given you accept the premise that you can pay to win in PvE). There is a valid debate as to if P2W even applies in PvE IMO, and likely this debate will never end until we enter a truely binary set of physics in the universe.. and even then it will be a coin toss.

Top tier PvP bear that is bind on aquire and can only be obtained in game by grinding PvP to gain, suddenly being sold in the Cartel Shop would be considered by almost everyone as P2W, because let's be honest... P2W is most often identified with player vs player competition aspects of an MMO.

Being able to suddenly buy a character ability that you can put on your hotbars that both says "I win" and when pushed AoE nukes everything around you for 30 meters with 1x10_to_the_6th points of damage... that would be the definitive P2W..... but of course only if there were only one and you were the lucky first buyer.

Your constant "strawman" of +41 stat level 10 crystals, that are a common drop in cartel packs and are literally sold by the thousands on server GTNs for 100-200K..... NOT even close to P2W... especially given the rapid diminishing returns as you level up (PvE) and the bolster mechanics in play in PvP.