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Read in the Paper: Ea is going to add P2W to all their games

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Read in the Paper: Ea is going to add P2W to all their games

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translucentwolf
03.08.2013 , 02:06 PM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilikaa View Post
Crystals are not pay to win items. Everyone can get them and they offer no advantage in pvp or pve without keeping the rest of your gear updated. The ship parts...who cares? We don't have a real space system. Since there are no P2W items in game the whole argument is pointless.

A level 10 with two War Hero +41 expertise crystals is still going to stomped by a level 25 without them. Even with the bolster system. So where is the advantage of the crystals? Where is it in pve? They only really help as long as you keep your gear updated, and that diminishes with each level you gain.
The crystals were added to give players a 'cool new color' for their sabers, and blaster bolts.

To keep a lvl 10 player from having something they couldn't use, they were set to lvl 10. Personally, I'd like to have seen them available at lvl 1, along with the lvl 1 Tythonian saber, for instance.
That which does not kill you merely postpones the inevitable.

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DarthTHC
03.08.2013 , 02:12 PM | #202
Quote: Originally Posted by translucentwolf View Post
The crystals were added to give players a 'cool new color' for their sabers, and blaster bolts.

To keep a lvl 10 player from having something they couldn't use, they were set to lvl 10. Personally, I'd like to have seen them available at lvl 1, along with the lvl 1 Tythonian saber, for instance.
I see, dodging my direct questions. That's cool.

If, as you say, the crystals were added only to give players "cool new colors", why are they +41 stats?

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Kilikaa
03.08.2013 , 02:13 PM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by translucentwolf View Post
The crystals were added to give players a 'cool new color' for their sabers, and blaster bolts.

To keep a lvl 10 player from having something they couldn't use, they were set to lvl 10. Personally, I'd like to have seen them available at lvl 1, along with the lvl 1 Tythonian saber, for instance.
I agree about the colors, because the only reason I have in my Guardian's saber and 'Slinger's blasters are the colors. I like the lime green and yellow-orange bolts my GS fires . The pink-purple novelty wore off though. I need to change out my Mara's colors, lol. My Sorc has the cyan-blue. That is a beautiful color. I hope they make a pure silver. I would love that.

Maybe those arguing the crystals are a p2w item would be happy if they removed the stats entirely from all crystals? Nobody would even notice the differance anyway.

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translucentwolf
03.08.2013 , 02:14 PM | #204
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
I see, dodging my direct questions. That's cool.

If, as you say, the crystals were added only to give players "cool new colors", why are they +41 stats?
So your cool color would be useful at lvl 50.

All your argument are belong to us :P
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DarthTHC
03.08.2013 , 02:15 PM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by translucentwolf View Post
So your cool color would be useful at lvl 50.

All your argument are belong to us :P
So if we want them useful at 50, why make them available to level 10's then?

Why not scale bonus with level like the crafted crystals scale?

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translucentwolf
03.08.2013 , 02:20 PM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
So if we want them useful at 50, why make them available to level 10's then?

Why not scale bonus with level like the crafted crystals scale?
Crafted crystals do not scale. They're always locked at the +x they were when you bought them.

The color crystals are at +41 so you can... Get the color you want as your 'signature color' at lvl 10. And keep it in your weapon for the life of your character.

The +41 crystals *actually help* immersion. While also being a small credit sink. ( If you pull them to move to a new weapon )

Once again, they're not p2w. I have enjoyed my own cyan blue and pink purple on my two gun blazing Slinger from lvl 10 when I bought em ( on GTN, no dollars from my pocket ) to the lofty level 41 I am today on that alt.
That which does not kill you merely postpones the inevitable.

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GuruVII
03.08.2013 , 02:22 PM | #207
As I said before in this topic. You can get the cartel coins for free... as long as you own an android/apple phone, since using a security key grants you 100 CC per month.

So one can get the crystals without giving a dime to the EA, thus it isn't P2W. Not that it was before, but this, by your own definitions means it is not.

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translucentwolf
03.08.2013 , 02:25 PM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by GuruVII View Post
As I said before in this topic. You can get the cartel coins for free... as long as you own an android/apple phone, since using a security key grants you 100 CC per month.

So one can get the crystals without giving a dime to the EA, thus it isn't P2W. Not that it was before, but this, by your own definitions means it is not.
You are paying for your cellphone. So you're paying. It's p2w. Is that the sky falling? AHHHH!!!!!
That which does not kill you merely postpones the inevitable.

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translucentwolf
03.08.2013 , 02:27 PM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by Urinal View Post
Reported. Direct personal attack. Have fun with your ban.
Probably just a short one. When I get back, you'll be gone, right?

Everybody wins. But who's paying?
That which does not kill you merely postpones the inevitable.

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DarthTHC
03.08.2013 , 02:27 PM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by translucentwolf View Post
Crafted crystals do not scale. They're always locked at the +x they were when you bought them.

The color crystals are at +41 so you can... Get the color you want as your 'signature color' at lvl 10. And keep it in your weapon for the life of your character.

The +41 crystals *actually help* immersion. While also being a small credit sink. ( If you pull them to move to a new weapon )

Once again, they're not p2w. I have enjoyed my own cyan blue and pink purple on my two gun blazing Slinger from lvl 10 when I bought em ( on GTN, no dollars from my pocket ) to the lofty level 41 I am today on that alt.
I disagree that the +41 crystals are a small credit sink. The are, at best, a MINUSCULE credit sink. The only credits the game destroys for those (necessity to be called a credit sink) are the GTN commission on sales and repair costs. The rest of the credits you pay to buy one on the GTN actually move to the player who spent real money to get the crystal. I don't know whether or not they carry more vendor value than the crafted +41's so they may be better or worse credit sinks than the level 50 crafted +41's WRT repairs.

Sorry I wasn't clear on my scaling comment. Crafted crystals have multiple levels. Each higher level of crystal has a bigger bonus. So instead of +41 at level 11, it's +7 or something (I forget the exact number) and by level 49 it's +31 or something.

Why not create that scale? Why make it +41 at level 10?

Going back a step... If that +310 coat you said could be p2w that was created only via sales on the CM (like the +41 crystal), but could be posted to the GTN for sale for credits (like the +41 crystal), then would or would it not be p2w?