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I Would Like to See More Realistic Technology

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Wolfninjajedi
03.07.2013 , 05:18 PM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by FeelFlow View Post
Agreed, the SW universe is a great mixture of old-fashioned and future technology.

Lore-wise, isn't it meant to be that technology essentially reaches a plateau thousands of years before TOR and that with periodic conflict between the Sith and the Republic, means that the SW universe tech stays the same, essentially, from millennia to millennia?
Not entirely no, examples being Medical Droids, Assassin Droids, New Blasters, New ships and new reactors for said ships(hypermatter reactors), and so on so forth. Tech does change, but you don't really notice it unless you actually look hard enough.
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03.07.2013 , 05:18 PM | #132
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03.07.2013 , 06:03 PM | #133
The first/earliest concept art produced for TOR had a very retro 70's throwback style that I really liked, which you can see here...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9247039...ream/lightbox/

Now while that style may not have been the best fit for TOR it's really interesting to see this amalgam of various elements in that piece and I'd like to see a game (doesn't have to be Star Wars) use something like that.

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CaptRavenous
03.07.2013 , 06:42 PM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Not entirely no, examples being Medical Droids, Assassin Droids, New Blasters, New ships and new reactors for said ships(hypermatter reactors), and so on so forth. Tech does change, but you don't really notice it unless you actually look hard enough.
Don't forget that the history of the Star Wars Universe stretches back hundreds of thousands of years. As empires rise and fall, so too is technology lost, re-discovered & changed over time. The idea that technology will forever improve based on the experience of one race still trapped on their planet (us) is a silly notion. Actually, not even based on that, just the assumption that tech continually improves in a society, just based upon our own limited life experiences.

Archaeologists have discovered many out-of-place artifacts over the years (see examples on wikipedia here), too advanced to possibly come from the time periods they did, but they exist, none-the-less. Could it be there was a technological civilization on this planet before ours, and after some cataclysmic event, much of the technolgy they had was lost, with some knowledge still being passed down over the thousands of years since? Archaeologists have found much evidence over the last decade to support this theory.

In Lord of the Rings, the elves often talk about their days of lost glory, and how much of the craft of Elf and Man were lost after the loss of the Elven domain of Beleriand and the loss of the great kingdom of Men from ancient days, Numenor.

Such examples lead me to believe that such a thing is very likely in the Star Wars universe as well, given its long history of war after war, and cataclysmic events, such as when the Jedi world of Ossus was laid waste when the ten stars of the Cron Cluster were pushed into going supernova by a Sith plot.

Also, the Star Wars universe is populated by many races, each with their own unique take on tech, and much of which has blended with that of other races over thousands of years.

Star Wars tech is just different, and Mass Effect type tech would have no place there as mainstream tech. That's not to say that Mass-Effect type tech can't exist out there somewhere in that galaxy far, far away.
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UriahF
03.07.2013 , 06:55 PM | #135
Quote: Originally Posted by DeFierrio View Post
Bioware got me hooked with Knights of the Old Republic. The movies? I'm not blown away by them and that's because they are before my time. I liked the prequels better than the originals (well, not episode I).

IMO Knights of the Old Republic was kind of like bioware's version of Star Wars. I feel like they had more freedom with the universe. TOR seems like they had to stick to the original theatrical star wars in order to satisfy all the hard core star wars fans that would play this game just because it's star wars.
My four year old has better taste than you apparently. Good luck with your "petition".

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DeFierrio
03.08.2013 , 01:06 PM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by antiheroxi View Post
to some degree I actually agree with the op. Its entirely possible to modernize the look and still be star wars. Just look at star trek. They did it with the newest batch of movies where the tech looks light years beyond the original or even the stuff that came later time period wise but still made it work
People don't like change.

The Star Trek rebooot is the perfect example of what I'm talking about though. A franchise can modernize and still stay true to its roots (not a Trek fan but the new movies seemed to be liked by die hard Trekkies from what I can tell.)

I guess a better title for the thread would be, "Why is TOR's representation of technology (and overall feel of the game) reminiscent of the origianl movies more so than the modern prequels? KOTOR?

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DeFierrio
03.08.2013 , 01:19 PM | #137
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptRavenous View Post
Don't forget that the history of the Star Wars Universe stretches back hundreds of thousands of years. As empires rise and fall, so too is technology lost, re-discovered & changed over time. The idea that technology will forever improve based on the experience of one race still trapped on their planet (us) is a silly notion. Actually, not even based on that, just the assumption that tech continually improves in a society, just based upon our own limited life experiences.
Agreed. Stated the same thing earlier. People automatically think that because TOR is set 3000 years before the original movies that the tech should be worse. Absurd.

Quote: Originally Posted by CaptRavenous View Post
Archaeologists have discovered many out-of-place artifacts over the years (see examples on wikipedia here), too advanced to possibly come from the time periods they did, but they exist, none-the-less. Could it be there was a technological civilization on this planet before ours, and after some cataclysmic event, much of the technolgy they had was lost, with some knowledge still being passed down over the thousands of years since? Archaeologists have found much evidence over the last decade to support this theory.
Are you talking about the Ancient Astronaut Theory? I'm a big fan of it.

Quote: Originally Posted by CaptRavenous View Post
In Lord of the Rings, the elves often talk about their days of lost glory, and how much of the craft of Elf and Man were lost after the loss of the Elven domain of Beleriand and the loss of the great kingdom of Men from ancient days, Numenor.

Such examples lead me to believe that such a thing is very likely in the Star Wars universe as well, given its long history of war after war, and cataclysmic events, such as when the Jedi world of Ossus was laid waste when the ten stars of the Cron Cluster were pushed into going supernova by a Sith plot.

Also, the Star Wars universe is populated by many races, each with their own unique take on tech, and much of which has blended with that of other races over thousands of years.

Star Wars tech is just different, and Mass Effect type tech would have no place there as mainstream tech. That's not to say that Mass-Effect type tech can't exist out there somewhere in that galaxy far, far away.
Agreed. The infinite empire of the Rakata (thousands of years before the republic) had more advanced tech than the TOR era and the movie era.

I'm not really trying to discuss the capabilities of the tech in the SW universe. I'm saying that the way this game represents/presents the tech is similar to how they did in the original films, which were made in the 1970s/80s. This is 2013. The representation of the technology should improve imo.

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Blackavaar
03.08.2013 , 01:57 PM | #138
Really, man. You're just gonna keep this ridiculous thread going?

They're not going to change it. Get used to it. Thread over.

And BTW, most die hard Trekkies hated the J.J. Trek. It's a Trek movie for fringe Trekkers and non-fans.

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DeFierrio
03.08.2013 , 02:08 PM | #139
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackavaar View Post
Really, man. You're just gonna keep this ridiculous thread going?

They're not going to change it. Get used to it. Thread over.

And BTW, most die hard Trekkies hated the J.J. Trek. It's a Trek movie for fringe Trekkers and non-fans.

If you don't like the thread don't post in it.

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PurpleLynx
03.08.2013 , 04:08 PM | #140
Quote: Originally Posted by Aelther View Post
His example was not a hologram, it was a simple projection on a glass. It was FLAT. If you stood behind the glass you would still see the "front" of that anime chick. It's just a simple illusion. Watching a "3d" movie with glasses is more 3d than Pepper's Ghost trick. What I linked was actual 3d images projected into the air, and you can in fact see other sides if you moved around, it was best noticeable when it showed that mask.
Actually the projection was 3D, it moved around on stage, it danced. Tho It was a hologram, it appeared as real as a cartoonish anime could. It was very cool.. The daily mail article didn't do it justice, I remember when it came out in the news, Yamaha was quite proud of themselves, but it required MASSIVE projectors. And was far from perfect. Disney also uses "ghost-type" holograms in the parks, and a very high tech, hyper-realistic holo game center on the most modern ships. Again, large computers and projectors. Sony has stated that they are developing holo-projector tv sets, similar to what we see in near-future stories, like trideo from Shadowrun. My point in my statement is that these holo-projections require massive outlays of tech to work. Not a small handheld device. And one of the biggest obstacles to Sony's trideo will be bandwith, a holo projection likely would be MASSIVE in size, and would require very efficient broadcast capabilities, and would likely show WAY down using our current broadcast methods. To broadcast holos over a galaxy speaks highly of the Republic's broadcast network Esp considering most hard-core scifi pretty much states that inter-stellar communication is not possible.

On a side not to the person that was saying bipedal aliens would not be realistic, most evolutionists consider that the fact we are bipedal is likely why we developed our intelligence. The ability to use our hands to build tools, feed ourselves, carry things, made our brains develop faster and better. Not to say that there might not be other sentient beings, even on our own planet, but the bipedal nature of humanity is likely to be the impetus for our advanced society.

Another thing:
Just because a world has a desert climate or ice climate doesn't mean there is no oxygen. The Earth went through a couple snowball periods, one being caused by too MUCH oxygen in the atmosphere. Life can survive on both desert world and tundra worlds, it would just have to evolve/adapt differently.

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