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Stop forcing PVP on PVE servers


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anonnn
03.06.2013 , 07:18 PM | #231
Quote: Originally Posted by dlcman View Post
Since this is still being brought up I just want to say I don't like being forced to do space missions. I mean Bioware should just give me my rep for flying between planets for goodness sakes so I can get the rep gear.
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03.06.2013 , 07:20 PM | #232
Quote: Originally Posted by PetFish View Post
Like I mentioned, PS/PT (aka heroic) is the only one that actually gave GHC's (just 1 though), the rest just gave daily comms and reputation items, and Xenoanalyst weekly also gave GHC's (4-8).

So, *just* doing the heroic every day would give you 14 GHC's for the entire event, then you just needed to do Xenoanalyst once in SM to get to 18, and also you got 2 GHC's for doing Gree Relays (scavenger hunt).
But by that account you didn't have to even go near the PvP area to get far more resource rewards to purchase any thing you want from the vendors when you are able to cash in enough rep to gain the levels to do so. I guess everyone crying about being "forced" to flag for PvP if they wanted to maximise their results have been blowin smoke up everyones 4th point of contact. Thanks for putting this whole thing to rest.

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CommanderKeeva
03.06.2013 , 07:34 PM | #233
I'm definitely more into PvE than PvP but I think PvE people are going overboard with whining here. You are really impossible to appease it would appear. Sorry if I reiterate information already stated, but I don't have the time to read 23 pages worth of forum posts.

1. What do those people who strictly PvE miss out on? 2 quests, 1 bonus quest, 2 rep tokens, 1 codex entry (if you're unwilling to go through the middle) and the extremely small chance to get a rare pet from the champion droid.

2. What do those people who strictly PvP miss out on? 7 quests, at least 6 rep tokens, 6 codex entries, 3 world bosses, legacy weapons, Scalene Armor, legacy titles and 1 easy-to-obtain pet.

I ventured into the PvP area twice in two weeks, once to see the quests in there, once to get the Codex entry. I was attacked a few times while questing, fought back, lost inevatibly due to being alone and wearing PvE armor but I put on a good face and still managed to finish the quests in the end. (Even killed the champion droids alone on my Scoundrel and Commando for the Gree Hyperdome bonus mission.)

Was it frustrating to be attacked by overwhelming numbers, by people from the same faction when I was inconspiciously minding my own business? Sure. But did I have a right to complain? No, I was warned that it was a FFA area but I decided to enter anyway to satisfy my curiosity.

So all in all, as PvE'r I don't feel cheated in any way. In fact, if I could have changed something, it would have been to give more PvP content to people, perhaps small faction vs faction battles in an instanced arena to keep factions balanced. The setting could have been a Gree laboratory evaluating combat performance against each other, with unique PvP rewards given to the victor.

EDIT: I concede to the OP's title on one point. Healers should be given a way to unflag themselves on PVE servers if they happen to heal PvP flagged people while questing (99% during a heroic mission). They get ganked afterwards through no fault of their own.
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LanceCorporalDan
03.06.2013 , 08:52 PM | #234
Quote: Originally Posted by PetFish View Post
Like I mentioned, PS/PT (aka heroic) is the only one that actually gave GHC's (just 1 though), the rest just gave daily comms and reputation items, and Xenoanalyst weekly also gave GHC's (4-8).

So, *just* doing the heroic every day would give you 14 GHC's for the entire event, then you just needed to do Xenoanalyst once in SM to get to 18, and also you got 2 GHC's for doing Gree Relays (scavenger hunt).
Very interesting and brings a whole new point to the argument dismissing many points in the process.

I for one don't care enough for the rewards to spend that much time attempting to get them. But the event was fun for my guildies and I for both the fun pvp battles all over Ilum and the PvE bosses were fun to do as well.
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03.07.2013 , 03:14 AM | #235
Quote: Originally Posted by PetFish View Post
If anyone is interested, here is my final Gree tally sheet for my 8 Level 50 toons: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k4vricxsprm33za/gree.jpg?m

My highest toon ended up with 42 Gray Helix Components. The key to not get burnt-out was to ignore all the dailies except for the Primary Studies/Testing one cuz that's the only one that gave GHC's, and also Xenoanalyst of course.

So over the two-week event it was not only possible, but very easy to get at least 18 GHC's.
This is not particularly useful data, it represents very little for the typical player - recompute the achievement if you have only 1 level 50 character, and can only find time to login half the days of the event. At that point, what are the chances that running only the PvE missions will get you no reward item, and running the PvE missions plus the PvP missions will just barely get you a reward item?

This really is about as narrow a consideration as it gets, to take data from someone who has run 8 characters through the Event missions every day for 14 days in a row. You're obligated to take into account that the Gray Helix Components are Bound, and for any character you want to be able to purchase a reward item, that specific character has to be run through the missions nearly every day, or you have no chance whatsoever of getting 18+, and even more trouble getting enough Trophies for reputation levels to unlock the purchase.

Also, depending on what time of day you're able to login for the Event, it might not be possible to find good groups for any of the Xeno/WB missions.
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SWGEvictee
03.07.2013 , 07:24 AM | #236
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
This is not particularly useful data, it represents very little for the typical player - recompute the achievement if you have only 1 level 50 character, and can only find time to login half the days of the event. At that point, what are the chances that running only the PvE missions will get you no reward item, and running the PvE missions plus the PvP missions will just barely get you a reward item?

This really is about as narrow a consideration as it gets, to take data from someone who has run 8 characters through the Event missions every day for 14 days in a row. You're obligated to take into account that the Gray Helix Components are Bound, and for any character you want to be able to purchase a reward item, that specific character has to be run through the missions nearly every day, or you have no chance whatsoever of getting 18+, and even more trouble getting enough Trophies for reputation levels to unlock the purchase.

Also, depending on what time of day you're able to login for the Event, it might not be possible to find good groups for any of the Xeno/WB missions.
Dude! Knock it off already. He's completely blown you out of the water. You're reaching really hard now and it's showing badly. On 8 separate characters using PvE only available options he gained far more than the minimum required resources to get what's available from the vendors. If he can do it on 8 I should think the rest of us should be able to manage easily with 1.

The event ran 2 weeks. If some players were unable to log in each day of it that's a shame. But they deserve no special consideration because of it. If you keep down that path like you are soon you'll be claiming that those who could only log in one day for 5 minutes deserve a single mission that rewards them with everything the event offers. If you insist on keeping this farce going at least put a little more thought and effort into your posts.

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anonnn
03.07.2013 , 08:48 AM | #237
Quote: Originally Posted by SWGEvictee View Post
Dude! Knock it off already. He's completely blown you out of the water. You're reaching really hard now and it's showing badly. On 8 separate characters using PvE only available options he gained far more than the minimum required resources to get what's available from the vendors. If he can do it on 8 I should think the rest of us should be able to manage easily with 1.

The event ran 2 weeks. If some players were unable to log in each day of it that's a shame. But they deserve no special consideration because of it. If you keep down that path like you are soon you'll be claiming that those who could only log in one day for 5 minutes deserve a single mission that rewards them with everything the event offers. If you insist on keeping this farce going at least put a little more thought and effort into your posts.
Your belligerence is misplaced and your strawman post sure looks like a personal attack. And it is not I who is reaching for new arguments. No mention has even been made about how many of the Trophies are required to reach Champion level (which is the ENTIRE issue revolving around earning potential or lack thereof). The only thing proven is that it was possible to get to Champion if you have 8 characters and several hours a day for an entire 2 weeks to dedicate to the Gree Event. ONCE AGAIN, the data provided has nothing to do with the gaming scenario of an average player. The entire set of arguments of opposition to this thread have been nothing more than half gross inconsideration of other players, and the other half, ignorance of why something is being requested in the first place.

At the end of the day this last "debate" topic is pointless anyway. The request to make the entire set of daily Event missions completable without flagging for PvP is not contingent upon whether or not the achievement of Champion or 18+ components seems easy enough. Since none of your arguments are both relevant and valid, I would expect that you soon admit that it is indeed a reasonable request, and I especially expect that you are reticent to post any further "strong" objections.

The fact remains that any PvP-only Event mission will always draw the PvE-only players into PvP missions when they don't want to. And it's substantially proven that this can ruin the fun of the event for players. Luckily it is BioWare, not yourself, that needs to understand this.

It would be perfectly viable to have the [PVP] Event missions instead labeled [PVE/PVP] and those missions would have no change, only 1 added mission area outside the forced-flagged zone. There is no valid basis to object to this request ...
Boring conversation anyway.
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SWGEvictee
03.07.2013 , 10:02 AM | #238
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
Your belligerence is misplaced and your strawman post sure looks like a personal attack. And it is not I who is reaching for new arguments. No mention has even been made about how many of the Trophies are required to reach Champion level (which is the ENTIRE issue revolving around earning potential or lack thereof). The only thing proven is that it was possible to get to Champion if you have 8 characters and several hours a day for an entire 2 weeks to dedicate to the Gree Event. ONCE AGAIN, the data provided has nothing to do with the gaming scenario of an average player. The entire set of arguments of opposition to this thread have been nothing more than half gross inconsideration of other players, and the other half, ignorance of why something is being requested in the first place.

You're ugly and your Momma dresses you funny. There now I have made a personal attack.

At the end of the day this last "debate" topic is pointless anyway. The request to make the entire set of daily Event missions completable without flagging for PvP is not contingent upon whether or not the achievement of Champion or 18+ components seems easy enough. Since none of your arguments are both relevant and valid, I would expect that you soon admit that it is indeed a reasonable request, and I especially expect that you are reticent to post any further "strong" objections.

If it's not about gaining Rep. or Helixs then why have you used a hypothetical players inability to get them as a continual basis for your unneeded mission changes? As they are completely unneeded I will not say otherwise and will continue to object to them.

The fact remains that any PvP-only Event mission will always draw the PvE-only players into PvP missions when they don't want to. And it's substantially proven that this can ruin the fun of the event for players. Luckily it is BioWare, not yourself, that needs to understand this.

What needs to be understood, and by you, is that the PvP missions are optional content and players may choose to do them or not. No one is forced to do them. Frankly your dishonesty in continually trying to assert that they are is amazing


It would be perfectly viable to have the [PVP] Event missions instead labeled [PVE/PVP] and those missions would have no change, only 1 added mission area outside the forced-flagged zone. There is no valid basis to object to this request ...

The fact that there is no valid need for the change you are requesting is all the valid basis needed to object.

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03.07.2013 , 10:06 AM | #239
Is this still going on even though the event is over? I would have thought it was time to let this go.

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03.07.2013 , 10:58 AM | #240
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Is this still going on even though the event is over? I would have thought it was time to let this go.

I think this has become mainly boredom relief for those stuck at work without immediate tasks that need doing.