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I Would Like to See More Realistic Technology

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DeFierrio
03.06.2013 , 11:17 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by jedimasterjac View Post
I cannot speak accurately, I have seen neither. But mos good producers know technology and effects are only half important as story and dialogue, something the original trilogy got right. If you didn't spend so much time crying over a holo communicator, maybe you'd enjoy the story.
Oh well tbh if you haven't seen it then not really fair for you to say. Me personally, I never saw the first one. I thought TRON was lame. However, I did see the second one and, this is the important part, because of the awesome cinematics/graphics, I was able to enjoy the story. I found it all very believable.

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jedimasterjac
03.06.2013 , 11:21 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by DeFierrio View Post
Oh well tbh if you haven't seen it then not really fair for you to say. Me personally, I never saw the first one. I thought TRON was lame. However, I did see the second one and, this is the important part, because of the awesome cinematics/graphics, I was able to enjoy the story. I found it all very believable.
As I said, the point of graphics is to support the story. In the prequels, graphics were used ver story.
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OddballEasyEight
03.07.2013 , 12:47 AM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by DeFierrio View Post
First off, I would like to say that I enjoy and like Star Wars the Old Republic. This is not a "bash" just my personal opinions.

That being said, I'm kind of tired of having to put up with 1979's idea of a futuristic society just to satisify the die hard fans of the original Star War's films. I mean we have these big clunky computers with nobs and flashing lights, giant holo communicators (hell the iphone is more advanced than that), etc..... It's all very retro.

I know I know, most of you are thinking, "But It's Star Wars! It's suppose to be like that!" Well this is 2013 not the 1970s. Things need to be brought up to date imo. The technology in a sci-fi game should at least be equal to or greater than the current tech of today I would think.

From what I can remember, Mass Effect was pretty impressive and all the tech was believable. No reason the same can't be done here and still be considered Star Wars.

/end rambling complaint
No offense, but go play Star Trek Online...

Star Wars is Star Wars for a reason, and one of those reasons is that the technology is a bit old-fashioned.
Like some have pointed out already, its "a long time ago"...
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OddballEasyEight
03.07.2013 , 12:53 AM | #94
Im betting this is the same type of guy that complains about the Fallout tech looking too "old" and downloads tons of mods to make it look more "modern" and hence completely misses a large part of the games story...
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PurpleLynx
03.07.2013 , 01:24 AM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by DeFierrio View Post
Umm seriously? If I recall correctly the holocomunicator is this big clunky grey thing (bigger than a smartphone) with oone button. It displays a crappy non color 3d image that's it. We have the ability to project 3d images today. But a smartphone has far more uses than just communication. Make the personal holocomunicators look like smartphones. All im saying.

And as far as the big computers, they look like they are from the 70s............................................... ...........

That's the point im trying to make. Make star wars MODERN. Make star wars believable.
And what part of that image we project is 3D? I mean TRUE 3D, not the stuff you need to wear glasses for. Solid 3D tech is JUST getting here, and it takes a stadium stage to set up.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-pop-star.html
Think about it this way, to project a moving image today takes massive bandwidth. Have you seen the video-phones, they are not like in the movies all smooth, they catch and lag. Now try broadcasting a 3D image over a galaxy. In most "hard-core" scifi, you can't even transmit interstellar, you send a message, via ship that broadcasts the message to in-system receivers. In Star Wars they have instant, real-time 3D comms, that's pretty amazing, and in the movies they tended to use that on ships, not personal holocoms.
Don't even get me started on the physics of a lightsaber. Or blasters. The tech is part of the lore, so leave it be. You want hardcore scifi, be careful what ya ask for

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Injudicator
03.07.2013 , 01:28 AM | #96
OP has a point. SWTOR is using a style much more reminiscent of the old Trilogy, while KOTOR was using a new style, a bit more archaic and mysterious. In my opinion that was awesome. It captured the essence of Star Wars and was putting it in a completely new setting.

I am a bit annoyed to see current Republic uniforms looking like the ones from Empire Strikes Back, I would like the smoother visual style of KOTOR. Problem is that probably they know many people want it to look like the old Trilogy and they deliver...

But think about it. Didn't the armor of the Sith soldiers in KOTOR looks amazing? What about the Mandalorians, the Sith Ships? SWTOR seems to mix KOTOR and Old Trilogy visuals sometimes in a great way and sometimes very badly...

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PurpleLynx
03.07.2013 , 01:47 AM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Injudicator View Post
OP has a point. SWTOR is using a style much more reminiscent of the old Trilogy, while KOTOR was using a new style, a bit more archaic and mysterious. In my opinion that was awesome. It captured the essence of Star Wars and was putting it in a completely new setting.

I am a bit annoyed to see current Republic uniforms looking like the ones from Empire Strikes Back, I would like the smoother visual style of KOTOR. Problem is that probably they know many people want it to look like the old Trilogy and they deliver...

But think about it. Didn't the armor of the Sith soldiers in KOTOR looks amazing? What about the Mandalorians, the Sith Ships? SWTOR seems to mix KOTOR and Old Trilogy visuals sometimes in a great way and sometimes very badly...
I do want a suit of Mando armour for my bounty hunters, and while I know the Katern armour for the clone troopers is from the Clone Wars, gods i would love a suit that looks like that for my trooper! I just got the tionese armour for my BH, and while it looks good, I REALLY hate the flame jets that come outa my back...i like some of the other jet packs.

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QuetzoCyote
03.07.2013 , 01:49 AM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by DeFierrio View Post
I think the tehcnology should look better in TOR because TOR was made/released in 2011 while the origianl movies were made in the 1970s and 1980s. When watching the original movies, its understood that they did the best they could with what they had at the time and at the time it was awesome stuff I'm sure.

The prequels look way more modern than the originals and they took place before chronologically speaking. Doesn't bother me one bit. I think it would have been ridiculous to have released the prequels with the same standards as the original.
I agree with you here, the prequels had a much more developed and "shiny" look than the originals, and many fans were quite turned off by it. Many in this thread have informed you that Lucas actually made the originals as cheesy looking as he did as a throwback to the older Buck Rogers style of Space Opera. So as of today it is and old style (70's) made to look even older. And the prequels looked much more streamlined and shiny. He has conducted interviews about that subject, and stated why he changed it up, and how the 20 year gap allowed him to do so much more. It is arguable whether he smothered his brainchild or not. And that would be another thread all together.
Anyhow, as it applies to this game, they went with a more modern look at parts and less at others. In some cases technology doesn't need to look shiny- go spend time in an industrial manufacturing plant if you want evidence of this. I'd say Correllia has a very 'advanced" look, as the entire planet we can see so far is mainly metal boxes and pipes. Can you imagine a factory that big on earth? Can you imagine the overhead of that operation? Do you think they refurnish everything in there unless they have too?
How often are they going to redo all the bells and whistles on a piece of technology over the years for aesthetic value alone? Much of the in game tech is in rural or industrial settings, and that is a setting where durability is the best you can ask for. Some things really don't need to be updated as it is a total waste of resources.
There are advancements that could be made that do not have nice obvious displays. Take agricultural advancements, or medical or industrial. Think of how many planets opened up when light travel became possible, all the xeno-biological studies, and anthropological studies. Culinary delights from around the universe, waiting to be explored, and acting and comedy routines as fresh as can be.
The Star Wars galaxy hit a plateau long before the games. In the timeline, it is not until the Yuuzhan Vong invasion that you will see any real new technology, and bio tech is not exactly a new genre, so Star Wars has it's back against the same wall all sci-fi franchises do.
If you look at the artwork from "Knights of the Republic", the comic book this entire OLD REPUBLIC franchise can be traced back to, you will see it was very similar to the movies, just boxier and grungier.
The truth about flashy technology is that poor people cannot afford it. Only those who live a life of privilege can claim that it is the "norm". So no, every corner of the universe would not have the best and the brightest all the time.

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MajikMyst
03.07.2013 , 02:03 AM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by DeFierrio View Post
So? They are still capable of interstellar space travel. Therefore the tech should LOOK more advanced than ours. It doesn't.
All I can say is that you missed the point of the look of Star Wars..

Case in point.. The fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy with light speed.. You know.. The one that Hasn Solo has to beat various spots on the cockpit to get to work?? The one that is always under a state of disrepair.. The one that needs tools to fix.. The one gets you all slimy and greasy to work on.. Lea even joked about getting out and pushiing to start the ships engines.. Do you know what ship I mean?? The Millennium Falcon..

Everything is supposed to look used and dirty.. George Lucas wanted to do something different than what we all saw in Star Trek.. Star Trek is all clean and sterile.. Not a spec of dust anywhere.. Even with all those tribbles on the ship, not a single piece of tribble poop anwhere.. Just polished boxes with lights blinking all over the place.. Lucas wanted at least the appearance of how things worked.. He wanted us the view to be able to look at something and sorta see how it might work.. Even though, we really can't.. But there are pipes everywhere.. Things are dirty.. Some things are broken down and a hunk of junk.. Things look in this game as they should.. This isn't Mass Effect.. This is staying with the design image that Lucas created in the movies..
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DeFierrio
03.07.2013 , 02:04 AM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by Injudicator View Post
OP has a point. SWTOR is using a style much more reminiscent of the old Trilogy, while KOTOR was using a new style, a bit more archaic and mysterious. In my opinion that was awesome. It captured the essence of Star Wars and was putting it in a completely new setting.

I am a bit annoyed to see current Republic uniforms looking like the ones from Empire Strikes Back, I would like the smoother visual style of KOTOR. Problem is that probably they know many people want it to look like the old Trilogy and they deliver...

But think about it. Didn't the armor of the Sith soldiers in KOTOR looks amazing? What about the Mandalorians, the Sith Ships? SWTOR seems to mix KOTOR and Old Trilogy visuals sometimes in a great way and sometimes very badly...
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I agree completely. KOTOR was completely different. The armor for the sith and republic soldiers looked way different as did the Sith ships. I think it looked much cooler and it was Bioware's take on the SW universe imo.

It strikes me as odd that TOR, being only 300 years apart from KOTOR, resembles the old movies in appearance more so than KOTOR even though TOR occurs 3,000 years before the events in the movies....

It is as you said though. The die hards would not be happy with KOTOR version of SW hence the original trilogy theme was more heavliy adopted.