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Murdura
02.25.2013 , 12:48 AM | #71
There's no shortage of babies that play this game, as well as other MMO's. People need to grow up, develop some patience and learn what it takes to be a leader. The key for these sissies is to help teach and educate the group. Bioware needs to partner up with the Kleenex corporation and offer tissue coupons on the website. This just makes me sick and not want to even bother playing these games. Bottom line it's a toy, these kids need to remember that. Go watch a documentary on what it's like on the frontline of a war, or what it's like to be so poor you have to survive off mayonaise sandwiches, helps put it into perspective. Go cry to the man in the mirror, he wants to hear about it.

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Vallon
03.05.2013 , 01:41 PM | #72
Whenever I run a flashpoint as a tank or healer, before we begin I tell the team (if healer) that if dps pulls a mob I wont heal them they can die or leave I dont care there are to many dps'ers in this game. As a healer my main focus is keeping the tank alive. As a tank I will always protect the healer first and maintain my aggro. Dps are expendable.
Given the choice to challenge the fates for another throw, a better throw at one's destiny what is a King to do?
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justdrop
03.05.2013 , 02:23 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Fiamma_Verde View Post
Is it possible that you were not at full health' either due to the wipe or because someone cast the endurance buff? If that were the case and the healer was actually healing something and not just using the attack I think that it would pull aggro. At least I feel like I've accidentally pulled that way before xD.
It does pull aggro. I've had many horrible tanks as a healer and get hot aggro constantly.

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Beltane
03.05.2013 , 02:51 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Vallon View Post
Whenever I run a flashpoint as a tank or healer, before we begin I tell the team (if healer) that if dps pulls a mob I wont heal them they can die or leave I dont care there are to many dps'ers in this game. As a healer my main focus is keeping the tank alive. As a tank I will always protect the healer first and maintain my aggro. Dps are expendable.
Then I regret to inform you that you are playing TOR wrong.

I am a healer main. I also have a tank as my second most played character. There is literally no way to keep DPS from pulling agro SOMETIMES, because of how the threat mechanics work. Now, if the DPS is being totally stupid and running amok, that is one thing. But during a fight, the DPS are SUPPOSED to be fighting the mobs that the tank can't hit solo. They'll take damage then. So you're going to, what, refuse to heal them because they're playing their classes correctly?

Your mindset works in WoW where if the tank loses agro it means they're doing something wrong, or the DPS pulled mobs the tank wasn't fighting. It doesn't work in TOR, sorry.

I'd vote kick you from the group for having that attitude, tbh. Healers are expendable too when they have a bad attitude.
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justdrop
03.05.2013 , 03:32 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Beltane View Post
There is literally no way to keep DPS from pulling agro SOMETIMES, because of how the threat mechanics work.
I disagree with that. As a dps, your main job is to support the tank's main target and kill it asap. Your job isn't to go spastic all-out dps on something I only have smash and sunder aggro on, or to pull a non-aggro'd group. If the healer draws aggro from the tank or the tank can't get aggro on a far mob, by all means pick it up.

Quote: Originally Posted by Beltane View Post
Now, if the DPS is being totally stupid and running amok, that is one thing. But during a fightthe DPS are SUPPOSED to be fighting the mobs that the tank can't hit solo.
Half true; too often I see dps focusing a target that the tank hasn't even pulled or pulling before the tank does. When I'm on my jugg it's a problem, on my powertech not so much. On the rare occasion I mess up and use leap, get knocked back/stunned and the healer is getting mauled, I have no problems and usually thank the dps for picking it up and apologize for the pull. That is few and far between.

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steave
03.05.2013 , 03:33 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Vallon View Post
Whenever I run a flashpoint as a tank or healer, before we begin I tell the team (if healer) that if dps pulls a mob I wont heal them they can die or leave I dont care there are to many dps'ers in this game. As a healer my main focus is keeping the tank alive. As a tank I will always protect the healer first and maintain my aggro. Dps are expendable.
If DPS pull aggro (on the main mobs the tank is trying to hold), it's the tank doing something wrong 90% of the time unless both DPS significantly outgear him. Otherwise the super geared DPS should be guarded to fix the problem, or the tank need to get better at his rotation. You should be able to hold it from anyone other than an unguarded powertech (due to lack of threat dump) even if they go all out.

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darkov
03.05.2013 , 04:31 PM | #77
This is level 19... no class is any good at their role at 19.

Don't worry about it until at least 25, more like 30. If you have issues then, it is the person, but at 19 it is entirely the class not being complete.

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Beltane
03.06.2013 , 02:51 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by justdrop View Post
I disagree with that. As a dps, your main job is to support the tank's main target and kill it asap. Your job isn't to go spastic all-out dps on something I only have smash and sunder aggro on, or to pull a non-aggro'd group. If the healer draws aggro from the tank or the tank can't get aggro on a far mob, by all means pick it up.
I disagree completely. As a tank, I can't stand it when I'm fighting a gold and a bunch of normals are out of my AOE range and taking no damage. The kill order for DPS should always be normal, silver, gold, elite. The tank should throw out some AOE taunts as often as possible but especially for Juggernaut tanks with a limited range, DPS should be taking care of the littles first at all times. There are many, many trash pulls where it is literally impossible for the tank to get agro on all of the normal trash mobs unless you run around super spastically hitting all of them. That is the job of DPS.

Of course DPS shouldn't pull a non-agro'd group, but they shouldn't be attacking the tank's main target til all the adds are down.

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Half true; too often I see dps focusing a target that the tank hasn't even pulled or pulling before the tank does. When I'm on my jugg it's a problem, on my powertech not so much. On the rare occasion I mess up and use leap, get knocked back/stunned and the healer is getting mauled, I have no problems and usually thank the dps for picking it up and apologize for the pull. That is few and far between.
DPS attacking a group the tank didn't attack first is always bad form, I agree.
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JamieKirby
03.06.2013 , 02:56 PM | #79
This is why i never tank or heal, too much riding on it, anyway, most players that suck tend to lack the guts to admit it to themselves.

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slafko
03.06.2013 , 03:00 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by justdrop View Post
I disagree with that. As a dps, your main job is to support the tank's main target and kill it asap.
I disagree with that. As a dps, your main job is to kill the enemy healer(s) then work your way up to the tank's main target by killing weak, normal, strong and champion level mobs.

We've been over the kill priority a million times on these forums and people STILL think they need to kill the tank's target. Stop doing it wrong, please.