Read in the Paper: Ea is going to add P2W to all their games

LOL, if that's not THE definition, I don't know what THE definition would be? Some sort of "grading" of ingame advantage that can be purchased? Like, +41 crystals are not p2w but +61 would be? Please.

Yes, you can get an advantage in PvE. As in "you must have this cash shop exclusive item to be effective in operations". Show me a serious progresion raiding guld that would accept anything less than that +41 crystal right now.

This is way broader a definition than most people use. Under this, subscribing, experience boosters, buying the expansion, buying the gear with blue mods, would all qualify as P2Win. Strictly speaking they could be defined as such, but that's not what people complain about when they talk about p2win.

P2Win is typically considered the selling of end game gear or boosts that increase a player's power in a cash shop.

Let me list some of the 'advantages' you can buy in game here:

- More professions per character
- More character slots for quicker gaining of materials through gathering alts
- More bank slots to put your items in
- Being able to buy/use a mount at lower level
- Being able to have a time limited mount level speed boost that also works indoors (Rocket Boosts)
- Being able to use your bank/mailbox/repairman in your ship
- Receiving Experience/Social boosts for limited amounts of time

and the list goes on and on.. Advantage is a word that is much too broad to use for a P2W definition.

That is not an advantage, that is an entry level. Two entirely different things. Also, the +41 stuff is easilly crafted or gained through a myriad of other ways in this game. If your gear is on a level where a +41 crystal is 'make or break', then the kinds of content you can raid is not on the level where gear matters that much.

That is not an entry level. Why do you think it's required? Because it gives a measurable ingame advantage!

An advantage.. every fresh Level 50 gets.. because +41 is the exact same level of color crystals as are given to any fresh level 50. They get 4 of them actually.. 2 for each mainhand and offhand slot (1 PVP, 1 PVE).

So how is it an advantage, if everyone has it?

Because we are talking about Ops here right, not marginal advantages in levelling?

So in essence an experence boost would fit that definition as well. I buy that and level faster that those who don't purchase one. What about gaining BIS gear without having to participate in any activities one would normally do to aquire said gear ? Does that fit the bill as well ?

If i go by this sentence, focusing on "end game gear " would it still be considered P2W if i bought say 2 dozen cartel packs from the store with RL money, sold them on the GTN, then turned around and used my newly aquired credits to purchase end game gear ?

is it just me or is the idea of games always getting updates and adding content actually a good thing

would of loved for kotor dlc and weapon packs and maybe kotor 2 wouldnt of been the crap it was if it was planned to still be developed after it was forced to release

if you dont like ME3 weapon packs or dlc dont buy it but dont complain that the rest of us who dont whine about every little thing a game company does appreciates fresh content in our favorite games

and no its not all "locked on disc" the developers put reasources and time into the dlc and extra weapons after the game is put into production so a small cost is justified [not 14.99 like omega dlc but 5.99 like leviathan is fine]

but i havent played dead space 3 yet to see how it's done there

Lol. Best post, counter post, rebutle combo I've seen in a while.
Thanks for the morning laugh.

but your not getting anything that you

a ) don't already get as a subscriber or

b) can't buy with in game credits.

if there were items that gave you as a f2p account that I as a subscriber couldn't either earn or use in game currency to purchase, that also put you at a greater gear standing then me then yes that would be a problem. They also provide subscribers with 450 or so cartel coins a month anyway so if there is a particular item i want from the market i have the choice of using my cartel coins that i get as part of my subscription or of buying it off the GTN for in game currency.

oh and as for the people complaining that the +41 crystal is game breaking really? lol it's at the most 2 slots out of 27 available gear slots ( 3 in the head 4 in the weapon etc...) if you had all modded gear (belts and bracers included from lvl 10 up) or 41 slots if you added augments to all your gear at lvl 10. Do you think you could get to lvl 50 without touching the rest of your gear beacause you got 2, +41 crystals at lvl 10?