Read in the Paper: Ea is going to add P2W to all their games

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Read in the Paper: Ea is going to add P2W to all their games

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OddballEasyEight

03.03.2013 , 03:23 PM \| #41	Quote
Microtransactions =/= Pay 2 Win. We already have microtransactions in SW:TOR... its called the cartel market...
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Ireul

03.03.2013 , 03:37 PM \| #42	Quote
From The Escapist: "We are building into all of our games the ability to pay for things along the way; to get to a higher level, to buy a new characters; to buy a truck or gun or whatever it might be," says Blake Jorgensen, EA's CFO. Now, I may be new to these types of monetization models, but isn't paying TO GET TO A HIGHER LEVEL Pay-2-Win? A new character, new vehicle, or gun can be made to be side-grades, but paying to increase in levels just... can't. That's straight P2W. Also, don't give that "but it says upcoming games" crap. The CM is constantly updated; who's to say this won't leak into there too?
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TheNahash

03.03.2013 , 03:43 PM \| #43	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Ireul Now, I may be new to these types of monetization models, but isn't paying TO GET TO A HIGHER LEVEL Pay-2-Win? Not really. Say you're playing game X that caps at level 80. If you can play the game for free until level 60 but have to pay for those 20 next levels, it's not P2W, it's an alternative to subscription-based MMOs/games in general. And even if free is completely out of the picture, a pay-as-you-go kind of game that would charge a significantly smaller fee for every 20 levels doesn't necessarily mean that you'll get better gear because you're paying. It just means that (much like Makeb) you don't get access to the next "chapters" of the game unless you buy them. Pay to win, is when you can buy something that makes you overpowered for your level. Not when you have to but access TO that level.

DarthZak

03.03.2013 , 03:45 PM \| #44	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by TwelveofFifteen Things in the newspaper are 99,99% fact...only 0,01% is fabricated stuff. And that article is not in the 0,01%. Yes... De Telegraaf is a totally unbiased newspaper: said no one in Holland ever. Come on man, get over yourself. The article misrepresents what is actually said. It mentioned microtransactions and instant satisfaction. So far this means that in SP games people can buy stuff to get better (looking) items. This doesnt make it P2W The difference between P2W and microtransactions is that, for example, you can buy lvl50 gear stuff from the Cartel Market and wear it at lvl10. Or you can buy an item that will give you another level. Those are example of P2W. Now Im not saying EA isnt above doing that because Im quite sure theyre thinking about it, but thats not what the COO said. Again, De Telegraaf is not a 100% reliable source of infallibility and if you think they are then you're stuck in the 50's For the readers Ill translate the article Spoiler Betalen om te winnen in alle EA-games door onze redactie Het �betalen om vals te spelen�-systeem is in Dead Space 3 succesvol gebleken, en daarom gaat uitgever Electronic Arts het verdienmodel voortaan in al zijn games stoppen. �In al onze aankomende games bouwen we de mogelijkheid om tijdens het spelen extra te betalen,� zei financieel directeur Blake Jorgensen tijdens een conferentie. �Denk aan het kopen van upgrades voor je personage, of een nieuw geweer of een andere auto. Het blijkt dat consumenten dit verdienmodel omarmen,� voegt hij er aan toe. In Dead Space 3 konden spelers extra grondstoffen kopen tegen harde euro�s, zodat ze deze niet in het spel zelf hoefden te vinden. Electronic Arts noemde dit �volledig optioneel.� Als spelers niets extra willen betalen, dan hoeft dat ook niet. Ondanks dat die optie in eerste instantie op verzet stuitte van veel spelers, schemert in Jorgensen zijn woorden door dat veel mensen er toch gebruik van hebben gemaakt. De uitgever hoopt met deze microtransacties een nieuw publiek aan te boren, met name de mensen die veel gratis spelletjes spelen op hun mobiel. Volgens regisseur van Dead Space 3 John Calhoun, zijn deze spelers "veel ongeduldiger en zoeken ze onmiddelijk voldoening: 'ik wil het nu hebben, ik heb het nu nodig.' Dus daarom bieden we die optie ook direct," aldus Calhoun. Spoiler Pay to win in all EA-games The 'pay to cheat'-system proved successful in Dead Space 3, thats why publisher Electronic Arts will put this in all its future games. "In all our future games we will put the possibility to pay extra" said financial director Blake Jorgensen during a conference. "Think about buying upgrades for your character, or a new rifle or a different car. Its proven that consumers embrace this model" he added. In Dead Space 3 players could buy extra materials with cold hard cash (translation... biased much? lol) so they didnt have to find it in-game. Electronic Arts called this 'fully optional'. If players didnt want to pay extra they didnt have to. Despite the fact that the option was met with resistance of a lot of players, Jorgensen lets through that a lot of people used it. The publisher hopes to get a new market with these microtransactions, especially the free mobile market players. According to director of DS3 John Calhoun the players are "getting more and more impatient and seek immediate satisfaction 'I want this now, I need this now' and so we offer them that option now" There ya go, make up your own mind
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BenjaminminU

03.03.2013 , 04:01 PM \| #45	Quote
I don't like this idea at all, I mean sure, I get it for this game, but if they want to add it to any single player modes then thats just plain wrong. I hope that if EA add microtransactions to other games like Mass Effect, then it is kept to the multiplayer only, especially since we already have to pay for DLC on there.
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Levity

03.03.2013 , 04:15 PM \| #46	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by TwelveofFifteen On this forum: It is Guilty unless proven Innocent. I give up, there is no point in going further with you people. Thank you for your time and attention, I concede defeat, sinds there can be no win with you. Anything bad said about EA needs to be debunked, turned upside down and attacked, assaulted, and even when someone proves they are right, you still debunk it. You are slaves to this game, and will defend it until only the victors remain standing. Enjoy while it lasts, because it will be a hollow victory at best. You know I've gotten a lot of warnings from SWTOR devs on here for the kind of stuff I say to people like you on here. But this time I will refrain from getting anymore refraction points and just point out one thing. Nothing in this game is P2W. You can come back and say you win if it ever happens. But right now you are wrong, and it doesn't look like EA is dumb enough to place P2W items in CM. So just take the fact you are wrong and move on.

PurpleLynx

03.03.2013 , 05:17 PM \| #47	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by BenjaminminU I don't like this idea at all, I mean sure, I get it for this game, but if they want to add it to any single player modes then thats just plain wrong. I hope that if EA add microtransactions to other games like Mass Effect, then it is kept to the multiplayer only, especially since we already have to pay for DLC on there. EA already has cash shops in single player games, Sim City and Sims both have ways to buy content with cash, clothing, housing/city items, pets. Nothing really new here for EA.

AshlaBoga

03.03.2013 , 05:30 PM \| #48	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Ireul From The Escapist: "We are building into all of our games the ability to pay for things along the way; to get to a higher level, to buy a new characters; to buy a truck or gun or whatever it might be," says Blake Jorgensen, EA's CFO. Now, I may be new to these types of monetization models, but isn't paying TO GET TO A HIGHER LEVEL Pay-2-Win? A new character, new vehicle, or gun can be made to be side-grades, but paying to increase in levels just... can't. That's straight P2W. Also, don't give that "but it says upcoming games" crap. The CM is constantly updated; who's to say this won't leak into there too? That's what the Expac is, you can pay to get access to level 55. Don't pay the $10? You can't reach level 55.
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Altheran

03.03.2013 , 05:35 PM \| #49	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Ireul Now, I may be new to these types of monetization models, but isn't paying TO GET TO A HIGHER LEVEL Pay-2-Win? A new character, new vehicle, or gun can be made to be side-grades, but paying to increase in levels just... can't. That's straight P2W. As long as there are a level cap, no, it's not Pay to Win. When you pay for this, it's like selling your soul, but you don't have any advantadge upon anyone as they'll reach your level someday. You can call it "pay to cheat", but that's all. On the contrary, if the game supports endless experience level, then it would be pay to win as some billionar could be able to always have a level advantage by a good margin all the time.

DarkPharohEclip

03.03.2013 , 05:44 PM \| #50	Quote
Don't these people realize that the only people who like this sort of thing are people that play free games on their iphone? They may spend about 10 dollars every once in awhile to get that nice thing they wanted, but they aren't gonna keep it up. People grow bored of those games, this game would have subscribers for years until they bring this sort of idea to the table. It's already starting to happen I guess, they are now dumbing down the games and making crappier ones because they can make more money off of those without a whole lot of investment. If they try to do that here , it won't work. Why? Because most people are not gonna want to have to keep on forking over money for every little thing they want or need.

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