Read in the Paper: Ea is going to add P2W to all their games

My goodness, how naive you have become...

Must be the new generation...

An argument that a title requires no further thinking or evidenciary support.

Redefining a debate as a personal contest.

Mis-understanding of burden of proof.

Manufactured numbers.

Debunking threads and postings is easy, come with solutions and evidence then.

Wait, you mean the generation that critically thinks for itself instead of swallowing all the hodge podge put into papers? I bet the person who wrote that article "clipped" out one fragment of a sentence where you need the entire paragraph of what he said to really know what he meant. And that's how it is for any journalist writing an article. So how about lets not get all paranoid and wait and see what happens, eh?

It is.

It's always easier than proving something, and for good reason.

You're the one that actually has to prove something, as the person making the claim. Your premise was challenged, and you haven't defended it at all, you've pointed to the title and made logical fallacies and personal attacks.

You might be right, but you're doing a horrible job supporting your claim.

Mis-understanding of burden of proof again.

Redirecting argument away from substance. Personal attacks.

Here's an idea!
Let's start worrying about it WHEN / IF it actually happens.
Because frankly, until then, anything any of us say one way or the other, is just utterly pointless, because none of us can prove what we're claiming "we know".

just throwing it out there...

Things in newspapers as a whole are nowhere near 99.9% fact. If you have ever been privy to an actual events details as reported by the news you would know this is a bogus claim on your part. If they get facts 80% right as a whole, they have done better then normal.

As to the topic at hand... it was discussed nine months ago in this very forum (before this MMO went free to play and offered microtransactions) and was based on this article: http://uk.gamespot.com/news/microtra...-exec-6383445?

Interesting things to note in the article:

1) it's a 5 to 10 year strategic plan for EA

2) it was based on an interview of EA COO Peter Moore

3) is says nothing about P2W.....only that microtransactions were an integral planned part of their game properties over the long term.

4) it's a deliberate shift in market strategy from "pay up front" to "pay as you go" for non subscription properties and "pay to access" instead of "flat subscription" for subscriber based propeties.

Sorry, but the P2W distortion is just that... a distortion of what Peter Moore actually said in the interview with Kotaku last year.

So, just to recap..... what EA has said is that they will be putting microtransactions into all of their game properties over the coming decade. Peter Moore says nothing about P2W.

You can see the original discussion thread about this from last year at these very forums here: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...rotransactions where the OP in that thread had the objective clarity to say "Microtransactions will be in every EA game" which is an accurate statement, without all the P2W distortions. And interestingly enough, since this thread last year, ahead of the game going freemium and including micro-transactions....there is no P2W in this MMO, in spite of all the doom sayers proclaiming last summer that this is what would happen.

i am not sure whether anyone tried at least using the free translator but here it goes:

In Dead Space 3 konden spelers extra grondstoffen kopen tegen harde euro’s, zodat ze deze niet in het spel zelf hoefden te vinden. Electronic Arts noemde dit ‘volledig optioneel.’ Als spelers niets extra willen betalen, dan hoeft dat ook niet."

That means - IT IS OPTIONAL and NOT required.

My knowledge of Dutch at least allows me to differentiate the HAVE TO from MAY DO.

and they further speak about people paying some "games" on tablets or phones. As they are impatient. The players.

try to play SWTOR on tablet , good luck, you need a loooooot of force

I guess they won't do P2W in major computer games, because no one would buy them.
Or they would make the "basic versions" completely free. Which is not an option too.

So IMHO much ado bout nothin'...

How naive YOU must be if you believe everything you read in an article.

"BUT NOOO, YOU CAN'T LIE ON THE INTERNET!"

You can and people do. How idiotic can you be to think that every article is 100% true? Their job is to make an article that people will read and something that will sell. Its not to tell you the exact truth.

EA did say they would be putting micro-transactions in their games, and they already have. The Cartel Market is 100% micro-transaction, and most, if not all of it is for vanity (I say most because the legacy unlocks can be useful).

Hmm...I think I did very right in providing proof for that. Just to see when you say something bad people will always debunk it and call shenanigans no matter what.
But I offer anyone else a challenge then. Convince me with proof and debunk my claim and if you are right, I will come here and publically say you were right and I was wrong. I have no problems with that.
I have laid my claim out P2W will come to this game, prove me worng and I will consede defeat.
Not with hollow points like "You are lying", but with factual, visual proof. You can PM me for my personal email and I will give it to you.
Who will take up the gauntlet?