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Hoodling
03.01.2013 , 11:12 PM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Halford View Post
A) If you made a truely original name the chances of another source of media creating the same name is incredibly slim

B) Batman film or not, it's certainly not an original name. Even without the film it would still be against policy.

C) It's far from rediculous. It's par the course for the genre and you (apparently) being a veteran to MMO's would know that this isn't just EA's policy or some draconian measure to persecute you.

D) So long as your not using the dictionary to create your character it doesn't matter how many of them are protected. And why, in a Star Wars RPG, would you ever want to do something like that?

E) DC and Marvel both sued City of Heroes about characters named and made to resemble theirs.

F) there's a certain level of immersion that gets broken by these kinds of shenanigans. If it were me, any name that was not "real" or was derived from another source would be against policy.
I hate to break it to you pal, but I'm not looking for original names. I'm not a new-age neo-hippie. Yes I know this isn't the only MMO haivng filters. Why would I want the name Superman in SWTOR? I don't. City of Heroes is a unique example of where people could create characters that actually looked like the actual DC/Marvel heroes. I still find it completely idiotic that (if it's true what you say) DC/Marvel sued the owners of the game over that. But I don't think they'd ever care about somebody naming their Jedi Superman. And yes, Superman is a crap name for a Jedi or anything else in this game. And thank Bigfoot and Elvis that you're not in any position of power here.

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Darth_Halford
03.01.2013 , 11:20 PM | #202
Clearly you're not a fan of Role Playing Games either, because making actual names for your actual characters is not a "new age hippy thign" but a staple of the genre as far back as the pen and paper days.
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Darslk
03.01.2013 , 11:39 PM | #203
I'm not sure if only a few people are getting the point of this thread or if most are and are just trolling... It doesn't really matter what the names are, other than the fact that they were important to him and that he lost one of them directly because of something he was told by a representative of Bioware. Now because the name violates the ToS, Bioware could've forced him to change the name whenever, but that isn't what happened, so that is unrelated too.

I think that two things should happen here:
  1. Bioware should apologise. Hey, sorry, we made a mistake. Nothing big, but acknowledging a mistake is pretty important to me.
  2. Bioware should enforce their name policies. Anyone who currently has a name that violates the name creating procedure should have to change it. I think it's only fair.

Seems unlikely that anyone who has read this far will care about this, but no need to mock what the OP feels is important. I'm sure something is important to you that others don't care about. I have an irrational liking of pets that I know most others really don't care about, and regardless of what others say I'd be annoyed if someone messed with them

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PurpleLynx
03.01.2013 , 11:45 PM | #204
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The fact that I was able to make the character with the name says it all. I even rerolled the character after patch 1.2 because I had made several human characters, and I would rather level up a different race to get a new legacy unlock. So even some time after patch 1.2, people could still name their characters Bane. It wasn't until the launch of the latest Batman movie that the name suddenly got added to the prohibited list. So what if someone makes a movie next year with the name of one of your own charcters? Must Bioware then add that name to the prohibited list and ask you to rename your character? It all starting to get a bit ridiculous. If someone owns the copyright on the word Bane, what about Reaper, or Grace, or Titan? Nvidia just launched a new series of graphics cards named Titan. Did they own that word? Where does it stop?

It makes me wonder sometimes, just how many words in the dictionary are copyright protected? And how many word-combinations? Why does it even matter what we call our characters in a silly gameworld anyway? Even if my character was named Superman, it's not like I would be earning money off the brandname or anything. Would DC seriously sue some random guy on the other side of the planet for having a character named Superman? I could buy some random.com and make a forum just to call myself Superman on that forum. Would DC sue me over that? It's crazy. I could understand that since this is a SW game, they'd put in rules about not allowing names like Skywalker, but if you're going to disallow every word in the dictionary because someone copyrighted that word, then we'd be left with names looking like encryption keys. I'd seriously like someone to explain it to me why MMO's bother adding all these restrictions. Fear of litigation? That's ridiculous!
Fear of litigation is it. City of Heroes was sued, and lost big time by DC and Marvel for allowing people to use those names. Turbine was sued in DDO for allowing WOTC names, and that game is part owned by WOTC. Its an owned trademark, so the company that owns the trademark will protect that trademark. As I said, they might not catch it right away, but when they do, they will change it.. Happened to me on DDO, I had a Dwarf fighter named Durnan, a relatively minor character in Waterdeep, someone reported it, and bam, renamed. So yes, you might have gotten it, but playing with those names is dangerous, better to try something you made than regurgitating names from popular fiction or culture. Easier in the long run. Its hardly ridiculous, its business.

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PurpleLynx
03.01.2013 , 11:56 PM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoodling View Post
I hate to break it to you pal, but I'm not looking for original names. I'm not a new-age neo-hippie. Yes I know this isn't the only MMO haivng filters. Why would I want the name Superman in SWTOR? I don't. City of Heroes is a unique example of where people could create characters that actually looked like the actual DC/Marvel heroes. I still find it completely idiotic that (if it's true what you say) DC/Marvel sued the owners of the game over that. But I don't think they'd ever care about somebody naming their Jedi Superman. And yes, Superman is a crap name for a Jedi or anything else in this game. And thank Bigfoot and Elvis that you're not in any position of power here.
Actually, they would. Its their name. Superman is OWNED by DC Comics, and they WILL defend its use. And trust me, I have seen a Sith named Drizzt. So someone might try it, just cause you wouldn't doesn't mean someone else would. I would never name someone Bane or Reaper, but its fine if you do, just realize, some names, like Bane, are copyrighted, and usually will be on lists, and it doesn't really matter when those lists are made, you agreed to abide by them when you log in. Hell, LOTRO has been name banning again due to expansions and new movies, and that game has been out far longer.

As someone has stated, original naming is hardly a neo-age hippie thing. Ive been playing role-playing games for nigh on 32 years. A name is what you start with, it defines the character. A thief named Buzzsaw kinda needs a story behind it, a fighter with that would be "that makes sense" but a thief? That's the point to naming. I sympathize with you. I lost quite a few names in the merger, wasn't happy at all, but i came back, renamed some, deleted and rerolled others. If you wanna name your characters common things, expect they will have issues getting or keeping those names in mergers, especially is they are just place holders.

I am sorry that you had a problem, but its not lying, its a general answer, No you will not loose "a" name when you reroll, if you are fast enough. But if said name is on prohibited list, and you brought attention to it, sorry charlie.

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planet_J
03.02.2013 , 12:36 AM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by PurpleLynx View Post
Fear of litigation is it. City of Heroes was sued, and lost big time by DC and Marvel for allowing people to use those names. Turbine was sued in DDO for allowing WOTC names, and that game is part owned by WOTC. Its an owned trademark, so the company that owns the trademark will protect that trademark. As I said, they might not catch it right away, but when they do, they will change it.. Happened to me on DDO, I had a Dwarf fighter named Durnan, a relatively minor character in Waterdeep, someone reported it, and bam, renamed. So yes, you might have gotten it, but playing with those names is dangerous, better to try something you made than regurgitating names from popular fiction or culture. Easier in the long run. Its hardly ridiculous, its business.
Actually...the suit was considered frivolous, and Marvel sued, not DC. Plus, marvel had to attempt to protect the TM through legal systems or, because of our laws, someone else could cite it as an example to blatantly infringe later. Marvel actually dropped litigation after the first hearing, and the 2 parties quietly agreed that a simple banning of the possible names for use that was ALREADY in place was sufficient...no money changed hands and CoH lost nothing.

tl;dr it was all posturing by Marvel to protect TM'ed IP...that's all. Though the threat exists, the example cited was a poor one.
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TalkingDinosaur
03.02.2013 , 12:42 AM | #207
Hoodling if you want my opinion, you shouldn't come to the forums expecting sympathy. You could have evidence as clear as day and somebody will shoot you down because your evidence is on lined paper.
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Hoodling
03.02.2013 , 12:55 AM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by Darslk View Post
I'm not sure if only a few people are getting the point of this thread or if most are and are just trolling... It doesn't really matter what the names are, other than the fact that they were important to him and that he lost one of them directly because of something he was told by a representative of Bioware. Now because the name violates the ToS, Bioware could've forced him to change the name whenever, but that isn't what happened, so that is unrelated too.

I think that two things should happen here:
  1. Bioware should apologise. Hey, sorry, we made a mistake. Nothing big, but acknowledging a mistake is pretty important to me.
  2. Bioware should enforce their name policies. Anyone who currently has a name that violates the name creating procedure should have to change it. I think it's only fair.

Seems unlikely that anyone who has read this far will care about this, but no need to mock what the OP feels is important. I'm sure something is important to you that others don't care about. I have an irrational liking of pets that I know most others really don't care about, and regardless of what others say I'd be annoyed if someone messed with them

Hooray for civil discussions! Peace on Forums!
I agree with everything you said there. The point some people are making about the name Bane being prohibited isn't why I lost it. Hell, they even told me I could keep it since I actually created the character way before it got on the prohibited names-list. If they told me I had to rename the character because the name wasn't allowed, I'd still be angry, but I'd accept it and move on.

The thing that's making me crazy here is the way they steamrolled their playerbase, and some people (like myself) twice over. We lost our guildname as well with the second merge, and finally their complete incompetence led the loss of the last name I gave a crap about. Obviously I care deeply about the names I pick for my characters. Picking a name isn't something I do randomly. I'm not even going to play a character that I don't consider to have some kind of identity. For me, that's part of the immersion that connects me to my character and my character to the storyline aspect of the game.

I simply cannot believe the amount of trolls on these forums.

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OwenBrooks
03.02.2013 , 12:58 AM | #209
WHAT he has LINED paper, well there we are that is it, he is in the wrong ... wish that was mentioned at the start

Now onto my thoughts
What happened was unfortunate and is XXX big time, what can be done about it though I guess is squat.

Was it fair probably not, but if they decide to add a name to the ban list not much we can do.

Mind I would still send an email to accountdisputes@swtor.com just on principle especially given the circumstances. (think that is the correct address)

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Hoodling
03.02.2013 , 01:09 AM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by TalkingDinosaur View Post
Hoodling if you want my opinion, you shouldn't come to the forums expecting sympathy. You could have evidence as clear as day and somebody will shoot you down because your evidence is on lined paper.
I'm not actually looking for anything from the community, least of all sympathy. I fully expected this to ignite a fire in the fanboy camp, but that's entirely inconsequential to me. I made this post in the hopes that someone at Bioware would read it, and realize that I'm still deleriously angry! I want them to know that when they pull this kind crap it isn't easily forgotten. They may own my account and everything on it, but that doesn't mean I'll sit idle and accept it in silence. The only thing I could possibly do here was to make a public stink about it. Mission complete!