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Stop forcing PVP on PVE servers


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LanceCorporalDan
02.27.2013 , 02:00 PM | #141
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
You've gotten it backwards; no one has asked for extra PvE content in this thread; this theme was contrived entirely by the beliigerent, obnoxious opponents to this thread. You yourself said:

Which illustrates you are the one holding quality-of-life changes for PvE players hostage so that you can get an enhancement to PvP missions. There is no quality-of-life change needed for PvP players for the Event missions.

There is a need to change the Event missions in the Gree Event (and all other future events) to make it possible to complete all Event terminal missions without flagging for PvP. It's very simple, very reasonable, and I'm not sure how so many of you have misunderstood the idea, and found something to so vehemently disagree with... when the only objective of any suggestions is to make the quality of the Event a little more sympathetic to those who very much dislike going into PvP combat in SWToR.

For the exact same reason that AOE damage & heals need to be a non-trigger for a PvP flag, and <Tab>-targeting needs to not target PvP players if not flagged for PvP... special Event terminal missions need to never require PvP flagging to complete. If you still need to ask for a justification why, you are extremely ignorant; all you have to do is read the Original Poster's very first post.
You are comprehending my text incorrectly.

Allow me to explain it simply.

I was saying that you cannot ask for a change in the event that affects one side without asking the same change to affect another. It's all about balance, there are PvE missions that are optional, as well as PvP missions that are optional.

You can also see where I agreed that the aoe flagging of PvE'rs is out of control and needs to be changed. You can read several posts back where I have stated this. So I don't see why you brought that up when quoting me.
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LanceCorporalDan
02.27.2013 , 02:01 PM | #142
Quote: Originally Posted by Ddoandora View Post
Please EA let us remove the pvp flag. To avoid exploit when you remove the pvp flag you can not pvp for 24 game hours. That should make everyone happy. Or at least me. If you want to pay me sub cool, I will worry about what makes you happy. I pay my sub so I want to make me happy.

To be clear we did not do any of the pvp missions. We still got tagged by a hidden pvp player. We stopped playing. Next step would be to stop paying. At that point it will be a lose for pvp players. Less money is less money. The game needs money, its not a charity.
Agreed, this must be addressed before any content is looked at. I hope this is changed with the expansion if not sooner.
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Thylbanus
02.27.2013 , 04:40 PM | #143
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
This is endless absurdity. Your statements are just as vacuous as his. And you clearly don't understand the meaning of subjugate. You are not an opponent of mine, you are choosing to be an opponent of PvE players' rights in SWToR. You are here trolling in this thread, staging an absurd argument that there's no problem with the way the missions were made to work in the Gree Event.

You haven't come up with an alternative solution to how to ensure that PvE players can earn full amount of rewards each day at Events without flagging for PvP. You can't suggest that my proposed solutions are unacceptable without originating a solution to take its place.
Vacuous again! Was that the word of the day in your calendar and you've just been dying to use it?

or over use it, in this case

Yes, you are an opponent. I oppose your stance on this issue. There needs to be no solution as there is no problem. The fact remains that it is not the game that is faulty, it is player perception. Each play style has its own rewards, those who enjoy both, benefit the most. If you flag it is for one of two reasons: greed or carelessness. You know what causes flagging, don't engage in it. If you do, that is your choice or your carelessness. If you want ALL the rewards, be it commendations, reptutation, content, or just plain cash, you have to flag. That is greed.

In any event, there needs to be no correction. I was on the fence about this issue, but the more we go back and forth, the more firmly I'm set that there is nothing wrong. I've looked at the issue and find that it's the players not the system. Time for some personal responsibility.
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LanceCorporalDan
02.27.2013 , 04:41 PM | #144
Quote: Originally Posted by Thylbanus View Post
Vacuous again! Was that the word of the day in your calendar and you've just been dying to use it?
Not to mention I see no need to offer a "solution" in his words. If others see no problem.
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anonnn
02.27.2013 , 04:44 PM | #145
Quote: Originally Posted by Thylbanus View Post
Vacuous again! Was that the word of the day in your calendar and you've just been dying to use it?
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Boring conversation anyway.
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anonnn
02.27.2013 , 05:15 PM | #146
Quote: Originally Posted by Esproc View Post
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Keep PvP to PvP Servers where they should really want to be, may actually learn to play PvP, won't harass PvE players, can compete Honestly with their 'peers', an so forth.
I'm starting to ponder whether BioWare should give serious consideration to actually go ahead and remove PvP entirely, from the PvE servers. I certainly would like the game better this way; I have no intention of ever engaging in PvP, and I think many thousands of players feel this same way.

The volume and severity of the abuse and uncooperation of many PvP-proponents regarding an issue so simple as a minor PvE Quality Of Life tweak (that would make the in-game Events fair for all of the strict PvE-only players) reflects directly on how these same people are treating other players in-game, especially in the contexts when they are flagged for PvP. I am quite comfortable suggesting that all PvP activity (including warzones, PvP flagging, PvP vendors, etc.) be quarantined to the PvP servers where they belong...

The wretched, vehement, poisonous, personal attacks and insults and pompous disregard towards others that opponents to this thread have spat onto its pages from the very start of this thread should be enough to get them not only permanently banned from this thread.

The civil rights of strictly PvE-only players ...
Boring conversation anyway.
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LanceCorporalDan
02.27.2013 , 05:26 PM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
I'm starting to ponder whether BioWare should give serious consideration to actually go ahead and remove PvP entirely, from the PvE servers. I certainly would like the game better this way; I have no intention of ever engaging in PvP, and I think many thousands of players feel this same way.

The volume and severity of the abuse and uncooperation of many PvP-proponents regarding an issue so simple as a minor PvE Quality Of Life tweak (that would make the in-game Events fair for all of the strict PvE-only players) reflects directly on how these same people are treating other players in-game, especially in the contexts when they are flagged for PvP. I am quite comfortable suggesting that all PvP activity (including warzones, PvP flagging, PvP vendors, etc.) be quarantined to the PvP servers where they belong...

The wretched, vehement, poisonous, personal attacks and insults and pompous disregard towards others that opponents to this thread have spat onto its pages from the very start of this thread should be enough to get them not only permanently banned from this thread.

The civil rights of strictly PvE-only players ...
Please tell where I have been abusive or where I have been disrespectful here or ingame.
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anonnn
02.27.2013 , 05:30 PM | #148
Quote: Originally Posted by Morden View Post
I know, you don't have to participate in the PVP missions for the Gree event. However, with the limited amount of new content, I would like to be able to take advantage of all of it. There are players who just hang around the PVP area and attack other for NO REASON. I say no reason, because they do not get anything out of it, other than the satisfaction that they wasted someone else's time. They do not get rep; they do not get commendations. There is no reward, just grief. The fact that 95%+ players appear to play nice, and avoid PVP, should tell everyone something. They don't want to engage in useless PVP. They just want to enjoy the content.

There is also an imbalance, since most players are in PVE gear. Those in PVP gear have a significant advantage.

I have cancelled my subscription, and do not plan to renew it any time soon. This is not the first time this issue has been raised, but it apparently has fallen on deaf ears.
This is really a very simple Quality Of Life issue for PvE players (especially the strictly PvE-only players). For Events in particular, what is needed is a way to make any PvP Event missions into duality-style mission, where there's some alternative way to complete the mission, without ever having to flag for PvP. To expect PvE players to go against their better judgement and flag for PvP in order to complete the Event missions each day of the event is unacceptable.

What that solution ends up being doesn't particularly matter, only that for strict PvE-only players that they don't end up at the end of their gaming session with missions on the Event mission terminal that can only be embarked upon by getting flagged for PvP. Whatever reason a PvE player steers clear of PvP activity is not for anyone to speculate a need for justification or argue against; it could be because they find it too stressful, or are very young and can't cope with the context of other players attacking them, or it could be because of egregious abuse they've received in the past during PvP activity.
Boring conversation anyway.
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anonnn
02.27.2013 , 05:38 PM | #149
Quote: Originally Posted by ScarletBlaze View Post
From what I read you are doing the exact same thing.
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When people are hateful and rude to I do not respond in the same manner. In this way I have a right to say something since I didn't respond in the same manner.

Unfortunely you cannot say that. You have respond in the same manner.
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So wrong. If you don't want to see criticism of your ideas and opinions then base your opinions on the consideration of others, rather than vacuously disregarding people when you can think up twisted logic to do so.
Boring conversation anyway.
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02.27.2013 , 05:41 PM | #150
Well I think the solution is give pve content to people on pve servers and pvp content on pvp servers. I chose to play a PVE server for a reason, I dont' like being ganked and I don't like fighting other players. I don't enjoy it, and get no thrill out of it.

I'm pretty sure the people who do pvp feel the same, they get no joy in killing monsters and hunting for things. They just want to kill each other. They have servers dedicatee to each play style, why keep forcing us to do things we dont want to.
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