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Stop forcing PVP on PVE servers


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02.27.2013 , 03:15 AM | #131
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02.27.2013 , 10:19 AM | #132
No one ever suggested the PvP needed new content ( entirely different topic ) nor is anyone holding anything "hostage"

We have merely stated that there is no need to answer the call for extra PvE content in this event.
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anonnn
02.27.2013 , 11:00 AM | #133
Quote: Originally Posted by ScarletBlaze View Post
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The only time they can be banned or said something to is when they have personally attacked you. I've seen no such evidence in reading these responses other than disagreeing with your opinion, which is everyone's right to their own opinion.
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How about now? And how about the very first page of the thread? You might want to genuinely re-check the thread before ignorantly pretending to know what it contains, you obviously ignored the entire procession of opponents to this thread becoming more and more abusive and then downright hateful. It's a true procession of trollers. Your typical troll tactic of pretending I've posted criticism just because people are posting disagreement is quite noted. Just look at page 2, where Royox posted in disagreement with the thread's theme... is there any particular reason you can't remain respectful like Royox, and like myself?

Seriously, peruse the thread once more, tell me how many of the posts you think have something offensive that's against forum rules. And count how many of my posts have any personal insult contained therein (not a single one, I have only criticized the opinion or the belligerence of others).

The civil rights of PvE players ...
Boring conversation anyway.
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anonnn
02.27.2013 , 11:25 AM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by LanceCorporalDan View Post
No one ever suggested the PvP needed new content ( entirely different topic ) nor is anyone holding anything "hostage"

We have merely stated that there is no need to answer the call for extra PvE content in this event.
You've gotten it backwards; no one has asked for extra PvE content in this thread; this theme was contrived entirely by the beliigerent, obnoxious opponents to this thread. You yourself said:
Quote: Originally Posted by LanceCorporalDan View Post
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I don't like your idea of "improving Event missions to help PvE players avoid having to do PvP missions"*** unless you improve the Event missions to help PvP players avoid having to do PvE bosses for the max rep.***
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Which illustrates you are the one holding quality-of-life changes for PvE players hostage so that you can get an enhancement to PvP missions. There is no quality-of-life change needed for PvP players for the Event missions.

There is a need to change the Event missions in the Gree Event (and all other future events) to make it possible to complete all Event terminal missions without flagging for PvP. It's very simple, very reasonable, and I'm not sure how so many of you have misunderstood the idea, and found something to so vehemently disagree with... when the only objective of any suggestions is to make the quality of the Event a little more sympathetic to those who very much dislike going into PvP combat in SWToR.

For the exact same reason that AOE damage & heals need to be a non-trigger for a PvP flag, and <Tab>-targeting needs to not target PvP players if not flagged for PvP... special Event terminal missions need to never require PvP flagging to complete. If you still need to ask for a justification why, you are extremely ignorant; all you have to do is read the Original Poster's very first post.
Boring conversation anyway.
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ScarletBlaze
02.27.2013 , 11:32 AM | #135
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
How about now? And how about the very first page of the thread? You might want to genuinely re-check the thread before ignorantly pretending to know what it contains, you obviously ignored the entire procession of opponents to this thread becoming more and more abusive and then downright hateful. It's a true procession of trollers. Your typical troll tactic of pretending I've posted criticism just because people are posting disagreement is quite noted. Just look at page 2, where Royox posted in disagreement with the thread's theme... is there any particular reason you can't remain respectful like Royox, and like myself?

Seriously, peruse the thread once more, tell me how many of the posts you think have something offensive that's against forum rules. And count how many of my posts have any personal insult contained therein (not a single one, I have only criticized the opinion or the belligerence of others).

The civil rights of PvE players ...
From what I read you are doing the exact same thing. In order for you to say someone is being hateful you should not do the same exact thing.

When people are hateful and rude to I do not respond in the same manner. In this way I have a right to say something since I didn't respond in the same manner.

Unfortunely you cannot say that. You have respond in the same manner.

I'm am a rp/pve player and I do not feel the same way you do so you are not speaking for me. Let me state this very clearly I do not like pvp never have but I believe the pvp players should have things brought in for them to enjoy.

The only problem I see that needs fixed is the auto flagging when you are using your aoe. This has been brought up to BW a very long time ago and they have yet to fix it.

As far as the quests I do not see anything wrong with giving the pvp players something just for them to enjoy. It was two quests. I do not see why anyone would have a problem with the pvp players having something just for them to do.

And please do not waste your time or mine responding to my posts anymore as I will not respond to you. It is not worth the time and effort to respond when someone acts the way he is accusing everyone else of.
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SWGEvictee
02.27.2013 , 11:35 AM | #136
No players rights were infringed by the design if the Gree Event missions. Except maybe the strict soace mission players who had no Gree mission content in their preferred play style.

But seriously the whole notion of PvEers "rights" as has been used in this thread is a failed and invalid premise. No player has any right to expect all potential rewards from an event designed for multiple play styles to be available to them solely through their preferred play style.

I will even go so far as to say no player has a right to expect an in game event be designed so thst they can complete it with only their preferred playstyle. Its the game producers right to put forth whatever product they wish. The players have the right to choose whether they wish to partake of that product.

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Ddoandora
02.27.2013 , 11:48 AM | #137
Please EA let us remove the pvp flag. To avoid exploit when you remove the pvp flag you can not pvp for 24 game hours. That should make everyone happy. Or at least me. If you want to pay me sub cool, I will worry about what makes you happy. I pay my sub so I want to make me happy.

To be clear we did not do any of the pvp missions. We still got tagged by a hidden pvp player. We stopped playing. Next step would be to stop paying. At that point it will be a lose for pvp players. Less money is less money. The game needs money, its not a charity.

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SWGEvictee
02.27.2013 , 12:28 PM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by Ddoandora View Post
Please EA let us remove the pvp flag. To avoid exploit when you remove the pvp flag you can not pvp for 24 game hours. That should make everyone happy. Or at least me. If you want to pay me sub cool, I will worry about what makes you happy. I pay my sub so I want to make me happy.

To be clear we did not do any of the pvp missions. We still got tagged by a hidden pvp player. We stopped playing. Next step would be to stop paying. At that point it will be a lose for pvp players. Less money is less money. The game needs money, its not a charity.
This is a valid point. Any player who has not purposely used the pvp toggle feature on their character icon to flag up to pvp status should not be able to affect those who have in any way. That should take care of the unwilling flagging problem.

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Esproc
02.27.2013 , 12:29 PM | #139
Having forced PvP put on a player in a PvE Server due to year old bugs is bad enough without more being shoved down the players throats.
Getting rolled by a bug that allows a group of PvP flagged 'players' to flag you while you are solo questing (Cowardly) in a PvE area is abuse of an known exploit.

If you want Pvp there are PvP Servers.
If you roll PvE and want PvP then you are avoiding the majority of your "peers" do to a lack in your confidence of survivability or lack of ability on such a server.

EA is not known for an understanding of PvE servers and the players that choose to PvE.
EA is a 'fluff' reskinned sports game on a years old coded game with minimum changes for people to 'play' (pvp) against one another.

Since the death of BioWare (R.I.P. April 2012), before becoming a rubber stamp logo, this is the mind set that is now behind the game.

Keep PvE on the PvE Servers.
Get rid of year old Exploits that Flagged PvPQQ use for abuse, points, ego stroking, on and on.

Keep PvP to PvP Servers where they should really want to be, may actually learn to play PvP, won't harass PvE players, can compete Honestly with their 'peers', an so forth.
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Frostbyt
02.27.2013 , 01:31 PM | #140
Quote: Originally Posted by Esproc View Post
Keep PvE on the PvE Servers.
Get rid of year old Exploits that Flagged PvPQQ use for abuse, points, ego stroking, on and on.

Keep PvP to PvP Servers where they should really want to be, may actually learn to play PvP, won't harass PvE players, can compete Honestly with their 'peers', an so forth.
Not really sure what you think happens on a pvp servers. The only difference between a pve and pvp server is people will gank you on a pvp server while youre trying to do pve. Pve servers are for people to keep pve and pvp seperate, not to be totally devoid of pvp.

If there's some exploit to flag someone that needs to be fixed. I dont know of any though. AOE damage has never flagged me. If this bug does exist it could just as easily be used in section x or any other place. It has nothing to do with Gree event. *edit I guess there are some nefarious ways to flag someone, but again this is still a separate issue from the gree event

Nobody forced PvEers into the PVP zone. It was supposed to be some good fun for pvpers but PvEers kept coming in and complaining when they died. As a PvPer I felt the Xeno HM was unavailable to me. I had to form my own group because people didn't want me with pvp gear on. The rewards for Xeno made it almost mandatory to complete, the rewards for the pvp quests were just rep and could be skipped.
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