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Are you okay with Hybrid FL spam again when expac comes out?

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Are you okay with Hybrid FL spam again when expac comes out?

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paowee
02.25.2013 , 05:30 PM | #1
From a PVE raiding standpoint:

Hi pardon me for creating a new thread but I thought it would be best.

How do DPS Sorcerers feel about the FL hybrid spam build when the expansion comes out? Is this something you want to do again in end-game raids? Maybe it is just me but I am not having as much support as I thought I'd have when I posted on the PTS forums.

Basically Hybrid is parsing comparable to Lightning. I "fear" that this may relegate DPS Sorcs into Hybrid FL spam once again because 1) It is easier 2) It is less of a job 3) It is fun because it is less of a job, compared to Full Lightning's complicated rotation.

Ok maybe Lightning is not complicated but the effort and attention required is too much. Juggling that with raid mechanics can easily make up for a lot of lost DPS. A problem that is easily remedied by Hybrid simply because Lightning spam is simple and very easy to use. Check out these parses:

LIGHTNING SPEC
2368 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/142691/tim...773/0/Overview
2332 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/143236/tim...963/0/Overview
2294 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/143198/tim...276/0/Overview
2227 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/143170/tim...957/0/Overview

I wanted to reduce the lag so I used the L50 ship ops dummy so I can compare, as accurately as i can how Lightning will do against the FL spam Hybrid. I did not like the results:

2.0 HYBRID SPEC
2340 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/142636/tim...901/0/Overview
2320 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/142636/tim...782/0/Overview
2313 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/143498/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
2303 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/142691/tim...342/0/Overview
2250 DPS 11 mins http://www.torparse.com/a/143521

The above is Hybrid with 4% alacrity talent and Lightning Effusion.
I tried the Hybrid build with Instant Chain Lightning on LS use but it does less DPS I did not bother to parse some more.. (~2000 DPS).

Some people would say that Lightning's DPS should increase with gear and the more it gets min/maxed. Still I do not think this is an excuse to have Lightning's rotation persist into the new expansion and still be ~arguably one of the most hardest to maintain and play at its full potential (when you take into account the player having to deal with boss mechanics as well). Lightning may show up better numbers in "math" or "internal testing" or "metrics", but in the end, the rotations are just too much of a hassle for a human player, which in turn makes the spec less fun to play.

So my question is, given that both specs seem to perform equally single target, with Lightning being the harder spec to play while favoring AoE fights, and Hybrid being the easier spec to play while favoring movement (and probably multi-target boss) fights, which one will you use in PVE end-game raids when expansion comes out?

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Larry_Dallas
02.25.2013 , 08:07 PM | #2
Meh. Hybrid's too boring. If lightning is busier and has greater damage potential, I'm fine with that.

Want to talk annoyingly complicated try out AP PT some time. Trash energy management, and even more complicated rotation and a medium range skill you need to aim while rooted.

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verfallen
02.26.2013 , 12:44 AM | #3
The CL build is actually parsing rather nice numbers here. Wrath LS is on par with shock damage wise now, not counting chain-shocks.

However, most people when taking this talent tend to break their dps running after it or rushing to use the proc.

Unless you are in an aoe phase (writhing horror's spawn on the red circle for exemple) your priority does not change much other than having an extra filler in CL being ready to go.

Before I use CL, shock, DF, CD are all going to be on cooldown, and if CD is within 5 sec of being availaible, a wrath proc must be up for me to use it, or I'll FL. Affliction must also be up on target in priority.

The current builds easily allow that point now, and it is my personnal opinion its better than 1% extra crit or alacrity.

I'm already in a progression raid with that build, getting very good result with it.

And its getting buffed by new skill tree arrangement and new damage value.

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paowee
02.26.2013 , 01:27 AM | #4
Shock is part of the 2.0 Hybrid rotation? Basically keep it on cooldown? I never thought of using Shock. Can't wait to try this out.

Affliction, DF, Wrath CrD, Shock on cooldown. FL spam

Do you use LS for every Wrath proc when CrD is not up? Like interrupt FL and cast Wrath LS whenever its available?
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02.26.2013 , 01:47 AM | #5
Do you have a parse?
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Laforet
02.26.2013 , 06:43 AM | #6
This is kind of troubling, even from a PvE standpoint.

As the OP have shown, a hybrid build with a more simplistic rotation is doing almost the same damage as full light with the perk of pressing less skills.

In the same time, we are seeing a no hybrid stance from the devs, for both PvE and PvP. Every class change they made to us seems to aim more at disencouraging hybrid builds than actually balancing the class to their standarts.

That our hybrid can dps as harder as full light can mean some things:

1 - top tier lightning talents arent worthy as a top tier DPS talent should be, giving low impact on DPS overall

2 - the class is overpowered across the board

3 - the class is underpowered across the board

What do you gus think?
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verfallen
02.26.2013 , 11:27 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by paowee View Post
Shock is part of the 2.0 Hybrid rotation? Basically keep it on cooldown? I never thought of using Shock. Can't wait to try this out.

Affliction, DF, Wrath CrD, Shock on cooldown. FL spam

Do you use LS for every Wrath proc when CrD is not up? Like interrupt FL and cast Wrath LS whenever its available?
The main point of the current 0/18/23 build is being able to take Effusion, which gives you the possibility to use shock on cooldown without being force negative.

Madness can keep a superior rotation to it by doing it, but they empty their force fast if they do.

With the new tree, effusion is now a tier 3 talent, down from 4. Hence the new comparable spec being 2/16/28.

Some people are now going for heavy lightning/madness hybrids. My main hesitation with it is they have two fillers, and boost wrath LS, but lightning needs more than an LS every now and then to be good. They have in a way TWO fillers.

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paowee
02.26.2013 , 02:53 PM | #8
I see. It would be nice to see a parse because when i keep Shock on cooldown, its basically a DPS loss.
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