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Stop forcing PVP on PVE servers


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islander
02.26.2013 , 02:34 PM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by ParagonAX View Post
The two PvP quests:

1. Has a clear [PvP] in the quest name.

2. Takes place in a clearly marked PvP area with red system message warning you it's a PvP area.

3. Gives warzone commendations (PvP) as reward.

/thread.
Sooo many people get soo mad when their imaginary player dies once or twice a night. It's unbelievable.
People quitting over this? Then they were quitting anyway.
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SWGEvictee
02.26.2013 , 02:43 PM | #102
I hate stupid smart phones!

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ScarletBlaze
02.26.2013 , 02:43 PM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
Again, just more ignorance from another troller. You're not even attempting a discussion on what I've asserted, that:
  • you have no right to expect strict PvE players to ever flag for PvP
  • opponents to this thread have already said they like the idea of PvP'ers having the same Event reward potential as PvE'ers
You're all just getting stuck on the connecting logic between these two principles. PvE'ers have every right to demand to be given the same Event earning potential by changing the Event missions as described, because they have a valid reason to object to doing PvP missions. PvP players cannot claim the same in return, because they have no valid basis to claim that doing PvE missions is inherently objectionable in some way. Which means that PvP'ers Event earning potential is ALL missions on the Event terminal. The strict PvE'ers only have the earning potential from 5 out of the 7 missions found on the Event terminal. Not even close to equal.

And your sudden focus on me personally is immediate grounds for you to be permanently dismissed from this thread.
Whether you agree with his comments or not you cannot ban him from stating an opinion different than yours. He has as much rights as anyone else.

No before you jump down my throat I am not a pvp player. I don't like it but I also know the meaning of open forums. This is an open forum where people are allowed to post their opinion whether or not they agree with you or not.

I can remember quite a few times prior to the launch of the game where people disagreed with mine and yet I did not tell them they couldn't post on the forum. You see that is not my call and that would be wrong.

The only time they can be banned or said something to is when they have personally attacked you. I've seen no such evidence in reading these responses other than disagreeing with your opinion, which is everyone's right to their own opinion.

Have a good day.
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ScarletBlaze
02.26.2013 , 02:46 PM | #104
The only thing I see they need to fix and this has nothing to do with missions or rewards is the fixing of the AOE where they are not used to flag someone for pvp. This has been stated from the beginning, yet it still hasn't been fixed.

That is the only think I see needs to be fixed.
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Izorii
02.26.2013 , 02:49 PM | #105
I would have no issue with PvE Players getting PvP quests if it was not for the stupid handicap they face when fighting a PvP player. Its less about force PvP rather force slaughter. While a PvEer might have slightly higher stats expertise means his doing 30% less damage, taking 30% more damage and healing 30% less than his oponent he just doesn't stand a chance. If you are going to send a PvEer against a PvP you have to make it about skill not gear and expertise.

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LanceCorporalDan
02.26.2013 , 02:54 PM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
Again, just more ignorance from another troller. You're not even attempting a discussion on what I've asserted, that:
  • you have no right to expect strict PvE players to ever flag for PvP
  • opponents to this thread have already said they like the idea of PvP'ers having the same Event reward potential as PvE'ers
You're all just getting stuck on the connecting logic between these two principles. PvE'ers have every right to demand to be given the same Event earning potential by changing the Event missions as described, because they have a valid reason to object to doing PvP missions. PvP players cannot claim the same in return, because they have no valid basis to claim that doing PvE missions is inherently objectionable in some way. Which means that PvP'ers Event earning potential is ALL missions on the Event terminal. The strict PvE'ers only have the earning potential from 5 out of the 7 missions found on the Event terminal. Not even close to equal.

And your sudden focus on me personally is immediate grounds for you to be permanently dismissed from this thread.
And the strict PvP'ers only have the earning potential of the missions which are all PvE. While strict PvE'rs have access to the bosses and other avenues if reputation
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SWGEvictee
02.26.2013 , 02:56 PM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
No, you don't get to assert this. Strict PvE players avoid PvP because they find it inherently objectionable. PvP players cannot say the same about PvE. To continue throwing around your argument, you'll have to explain why the problem described by the Original Poster is not really a problem. And keep in mind that strict PvE players have a right to expect to be provided with equal Event earning potential without ever flagging for PvP.
Correction, you don't get to decree what I may or may not assert. You may disagree with my assertions as I disagree with yours but you do not have the authority to deny me my right to offer my opinions.

Neither do you have the right to make blanket statements about what other players do or don't find objectionable. There are plenty of players who only engage in PvE content because it is required so that they may progress in their preferred play style of PvP. They find PvE just as distasteful as many PvEers find PvP. Just because you assert it to be otherwise dies not make it so.

As for the original poster. His problem is only a problem because he doesn't like the consequences of the decision he made. He chose to not participate in the full event as it was presented to the players. It was a voluntary choice not one forced on him.

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LanceCorporalDan
02.26.2013 , 03:02 PM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
You're just being hugely parasitic, using the popularity and Core game qualities of PvE missions to try to leverage a perception of obligation to add more PvP content to the game. You're intentionally trying to stifle development of PvE content, you should cease that and maybe just post YOUR OWN THREADS about PvP content possibilites, instead of showing up in other people's threads and incessantly trolling against other people's ideas. And you're ignoring my assertion that it's a problem if strict PvE players aren't provided with a way to complete the PvP missions directly or by proxy-mission, without flagging for PvP. PvE players shouldn't be baited by PvP missions to get the full daily Event rewards. It's the ENTIRE problem that was posted to create this thread. And do you think that if he's saying he's cancelled his subscription because of it, that BioWare shouldn't take notice and seriously consider making some changes?

You're really just trying to create an argument where none exists, and diminishing the topic by diluting it with your ranting.

The Original Poster posted about a problem, and the purpose of this thread is to originate solutions to that problem. This is not your platform to try to leverage an off-topic demand that PvP content must be added along with any addition of PvE content. If you are that unhappy with the game as it is and want to be this disrespectful to the valid considerations of others, I don't think you even belong in the game at all. If you don't want a repeated dismissal of your assertions in the thread, then think twice before you post and take into the valid concerns that this entire thread is based upon.

You don't get to demand PvP considerations of the same sort, because you have no valid basis to declare PvE missions particularly objectionable to yourself.
You failed to address the simple points I made.

That facts remain still against your walls of text. That it is a player choice, if player x does not jump through hoop y then they do not get z... I have not demanded anything for PvP'ers just stated that your request is invalid and has no basis for validity just on the fact that players enjoy the game differently. This event rewards all play types equally.

And please stop the personal attacks, they are quite childish and needless. Only trolls tend to use them... Hmm
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JoeeyyMagzz
02.26.2013 , 03:12 PM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by Nothematic View Post
The sheer idiocy of the OP astounds me. You say that people who are in PvP gear have an advantage.. I'll give you a cookie if you can tell me what that advantage is. Expertise counts for nothing on Ilum. Nothing.
The sheer idiocy you have displayed here astounds me. Do you think that this stat just activates itself inside warzones?! LOL If someone is wearing PvP gear they have a clear advantage of bonus damage/damage reduction/healing when engaged in ANY PvP combat. Don't insult someone if you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

As far as the OP's post though, this cannot be taken seriously at all. You are essentially asking Bioware to just GIVE you two quest completions. I have a better idea for Bioware, why don't they just REMOVE the PvP quests completely from Ilum on PvE servers only. Then you guys won't be forced to engage in PvP and you also won't be given two free quest completions.

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anonnn
02.26.2013 , 04:53 PM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by SWGEvictee View Post
I hate stupid smart phones!
ALL smart phones are stupid phones. I happen to think the iPhone is the best phone on the market, but in my mildly expert opinion, I think the iPhone and every other phone are still complete garbage.

Sure, they do their task, and there are 1 or 2 nice bells and whistles... but if you knew how absurdly easy it would be to add absolutely amazing features and make people love their phones again, you would see as I do that all the phone makers are just entirely uninspired and completely lacking in technology prowess. We put a man on the moon, and smart-phone makers can't even get the phone to work seamlessly with the user's home computer. Not to mention all the obvious apps where any phone could be made to recognize other phones, and do all kinds of phone-partnered activities like sharing web pages, keep in contact while walking around different parts of the same major city, etc... sure there are a few examples of apps but it's a most un-impressive computing platform.
Boring conversation anyway.
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