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2.0 Madness Lightning strike part of your rotation?

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2.0 Madness Lightning strike part of your rotation?

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Devinia-Hex
02.25.2013 , 12:13 PM | #11
PVP is different than sitting in front of a dummy and and test firing you will be using alot of different abilities cc aoe spamming to burn a target. Dummy numbers are for PVE when you planting your feet and doing the same thing over and over.
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Sosajoshua
02.25.2013 , 01:32 PM | #12
Thats fair SoonerJBD and I would like to see how much an actual difference LS does now but I dont think itll be a damaging force cost either just from what ive seen. Electric Induction lowers force cost by 9% , Sith Efficacy allows regrn through FL, and if alacrity is going to work as it should then between Polarity Shift and Focal Lightning we should get quicker regens time. But we should see the numbers to see how itll really work.


On a side note: since LS is going to be used a lot more does anyone think there is a real point to putting points into Chain Shock for the 30%/45% extra shock or just put points in Reserves for 100more force?
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SoonerJBD
02.25.2013 , 02:21 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Sosajoshua View Post
Thats fair SoonerJBD and I would like to see how much an actual difference LS does now but I dont think itll be a damaging force cost either just from what ive seen. Electric Induction lowers force cost by 9% , Sith Efficacy allows regrn through FL, and if alacrity is going to work as it should then between Polarity Shift and Focal Lightning we should get quicker regens time. But we should see the numbers to see how itll really work.


On a side note: since LS is going to be used a lot more does anyone think there is a real point to putting points into Chain Shock for the 30%/45% extra shock or just put points in Reserves for 100more force?
These are exactly the kinds of questions I have. That sage thread includes several people who have been parsing various specs with and without distrurbance (the Sage mirror ability for LS). So far, I've yet to see a definitive answer on how and when it should be used in either a full balance/madness spec or a hybrid. I'm not even sure what the best hybrid is going to look like yet.

When I first saw the changes, I suspected LS would take the place of shock in a madness rotation, meaning you wouldn't use it on cooldown, but you would use it with wrath both for the procs it gives and for some added DPS over force lightning. Now I'm reading some information from people parsing that says it may still not be a DPS gain and it may cause force regen issues.

The problem is that the fundamentals of the game have changed so much with the way alacrity works and the need for accuracy that it's hard to tell exactly what is best.

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Sosajoshua
02.25.2013 , 04:16 PM | #14
I dont see how there can't be a dps gain (PvE wise). Sure picking between LS and CD may not be what everyone wants to do but the added dot and alacrity should allow for more dps in a rotation, excluding all the boost and changes madness has already received. If a normal rotation now is DF > CT > Afflict > FL (x2) > CD repeat then you can use LS earlier in your rotation with wrath to ad to to deathmarks boost and use CD on a second proc or wait til the end of the rotation to use LS, increase alacrity for more FL yo get proc then use CD.


Okay a thats terrible example lol since i was just playing it over in my head but you know what I mean. In any event LS has now become very viable in our rotations and i think should be used
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paowee
02.25.2013 , 06:05 PM | #15
Thought I should post this here as well. I parsed on the ship dummy (L50 ops dummy) for less lag so i can compare both specs as accurately as i can.

No stims, no adrenals, companion/legacy buffs only, both DG relics, wearing Arkanian gear with no augments

LIGHTNING SPEC
~Opener - CrD, Aff, Thundering Blast, (Recklessness on first Lightning Barrage proc)...
2368 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/142691/tim...773/0/Overview
2332 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/143236/tim...963/0/Overview
2294 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/143198/tim...276/0/Overview
2227 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/143170/tim...957/0/Overview

2.0 HYBRID SPEC
Opener - CrD, DF, Aff, Recklessness FL...
2340 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/142636/tim...901/0/Overview
2320 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/142636/tim...782/0/Overview
2313 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/143498/tim...0/Damage+Dealt
2303 DPS http://www.torparse.com/a/142691/tim...342/0/Overview
2250 DPS 11 mins http://www.torparse.com/a/143521

Hybrid rotation is same as 1.7 rotation but I use LS on Wrath procs when CrD is on cooldown. To be more specific I use LS once per FL, and when FL has reached the end of its channel. Sometimes I tweak around and just spam LS whenever Wrath pops up, but i've done too many parses and I can't find which one uses what.

They're all showing that Hybrid (with LS on Wrath proc) does comparable DPS to Lightning. DPS that is easier to maintain and be consistent with.

Lightning is still harder to play due to the procs and buffs you have to watch out for every at least 10 seconds. It is also a bit harder to do consistent DPS because that is just the nature of this spec, one mistake and your DPS drops a lot... Add that to the raid mechanics you need to be aware of and this makes Hybrid FL spam for me once again, a very preferrable choice in raids simply because it is easier and does comparable single target DPS. When they buffed Lightning by increasing the damage of Lightning Strike, they buffed Madness or Hybrid's Wrath talent as well.
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