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Stop forcing PVP on PVE servers


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SWGEvictee
02.25.2013 , 11:18 AM | #31
To clarify as my first post in this thread might have led to some perceiving me as a PvPer. I am not. I'm a PvEer and am in no way geared for proper pvp.

Nothing in the Gree event forces players to PvP if they do not wish to. It will be a recurring event so you can achieve all goals in it eventually without ever stepping inside the PvP area.

Having a couple of missions in an open PvP area in no way invalidates the server status as a PvE server as you are not barred from any event rewards if you do not do them. Many people who enjoy open world and ffa Pvp choose PvE servers as they do not wish to be locked in PvP status full time. Giving them a couple of areas to PvP in and throwing an occasional mission in there doesn't hurt anyone.

The broken game mechanic that allows area attacks not intended to affect a non PvE target to flag you PvP active is in need of repair, no argument.

Could the PvP missions for the gree event been crafted better? By all means. But, regardless they are still PvP missions as they can not be completed outside the FFA PvP area.

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HurricaneEagle
02.25.2013 , 11:34 AM | #32
I don't mind open world PVP, but this Gree event has opened the floodgates of griefing players. There's no reason a 50 should be attacking a 43. Much less standing near the respawn point and killing on respawn.

There's absolutely nothing we as players can do about it, and it makes the game irritating not fun.

There's also no reason for a solo player to get rolled multiple times by a guilded op. Yes, it's a PVP area, but it has PVE quests in it. Just seperate them. If I can't find a group to go kill x of y, why do I get punished? Now I don't get the legacy gear because my guild isn't as active as some others. It's irritating, but I'm not gonna quit playing over it.

Just give me a recourse for when players are clearly griefing. There is a difference between PVP and *********** with people.

I do PVE more than I PVP, but I do both and have fun doing both.

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SturmUndSterne
02.25.2013 , 11:43 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by HurricaneEagle View Post
I don't mind open world PVP, but this Gree event has opened the floodgates of griefing players. There's no reason a 50 should be attacking a 43. Much less standing near the respawn point and killing on respawn.

There's absolutely nothing we as players can do about it, and it makes the game irritating not fun.

There's also no reason for a solo player to get rolled multiple times by a guilded op. Yes, it's a PVP area, but it has PVE quests in it. Just seperate them. If I can't find a group to go kill x of y, why do I get punished? Now I don't get the legacy gear because my guild isn't as active as some others. It's irritating, but I'm not gonna quit playing over it.

Just give me a recourse for when players are clearly griefing. There is a difference between PVP and *********** with people.

I do PVE more than I PVP, but I do both and have fun doing both.
As I stated before. There are ZERO quests that are ONLY able to be done in the PvP area EXCEPT from the quests CLEARLY LABELED PVP QUESTS.

You chose to PvP. You chose to complete PvP Quests. Face the consequences of PvP.

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HurricaneEagle
02.25.2013 , 11:45 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by SturmUndSterne View Post
As I stated before. There are ZERO quests that are ONLY able to be done in the PvP area EXCEPT from the quests CLEARLY LABELED PVP QUESTS.

You chose to PvP. You chose to complete PvP Quests. Face the consequences of PvP.
You clearly didn't read my post. Outside of the center is still a PVP area. It's not a FFA area, but it is a PVP area.

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SturmUndSterne
02.25.2013 , 11:47 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by HurricaneEagle View Post
You clearly didn't read my post. Outside of the center is still a PVP area. It's not a FFA area, but it is a PVP area.
And what quests REQUIRE you to go to that PvP area again? That's right. NONE.

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HurricaneEagle
02.25.2013 , 11:50 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by SturmUndSterne View Post
And what quests REQUIRE you to go to that PvP area again? That's right. NONE.
All of them other than the two PVP quests.
[Heroic] Primary Testing
[Daily] Confirmation Bias
[Daily] External Variables
[Daily] Supplemental Research

I like how you glazed over the spawn camping like it's my fault for dying and respawning at the medical droid. How is that PVP? How is that fun?

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SturmUndSterne
02.25.2013 , 11:55 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by HurricaneEagle View Post
All of them other than the two PVP quests.
[Heroic] Primary Testing
[Daily] Confirmation Bias
[Daily] External Variables
[Daily] Supplemental Research

I like how you glazed over the spawn camping like it's my fault for dying and respawning at the medical droid. How is that PVP? How is that fun?
So none of those quests have objectives scattered around the entire north side of Ilum? That's odd, because I've completed them all half a dozen times each without getting flagged a single time except by CHOICE (I allowed Doc to heal a PvP flagged group member instead of dismissing him, because I wanted to clear the content).

You CHOSE to complete the PvE quests in the PvP zone. That's YOUR DECISION, not the developers' decision. There are plenty of ways and areas to complete these quests WITHOUT entering the PvP area.

And spawncamping? You get ~10 seconds of stealth when you respawn. That's plenty of time to run away from the spawn point and then find a spot to use a fleet pass or quick travel (if that weren't broken, which is a legitimate gripe) Furthemore, spawncamping is griefing, and has been considered such since launch - and as such, is reportable.

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SWGEvictee
02.25.2013 , 11:55 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by HurricaneEagle View Post
I don't mind open world PVP, but this Gree event has opened the floodgates of griefing players. There's no reason a 50 should be attacking a 43. Much less standing near the respawn point and killing on respawn.

There's absolutely nothing we as players can do about it, and it makes the game irritating not fun.

There's also no reason for a solo player to get rolled multiple times by a guilded op. Yes, it's a PVP area, but it has PVE quests in it. Just seperate them. If I can't find a group to go kill x of y, why do I get punished? Now I don't get the legacy gear because my guild isn't as active as some others. It's irritating, but I'm not gonna quit playing over it.

Just give me a recourse for when players are clearly griefing. There is a difference between PVP and *********** with people.

I do PVE more than I PVP, but I do both and have fun doing both.
There should be a mechanism to allow a player to avoid campers at a spawn point. That I agree with.

The rest however I do not. You can get the event rewards without ever stepping inside the FFA PvP area.

A 43 should not be there if they do not want to be attacked. No one should be there if they dont want to be attacked by groups just because they aren't in one.

Regardless of the mechanics required to complete it any mission set inside a FFA PvP area is a PvP quest, not a PvE one.

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HurricaneEagle
02.25.2013 , 11:56 AM | #39
Peopl, not in the FFA area.

Get over that, I'm talking about outside of the center area where you do the other quests that are not PVP.

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SWGEvictee
02.25.2013 , 12:01 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by HurricaneEagle View Post
You clearly didn't read my post. Outside of the center is still a PVP area. It's not a FFA area, but it is a PVP area.
Outside the center is not a PvP area. It is a PvE area where players may flag for PvP if they choose to. None of the missions thst can be completed outside the center require any PvP what so ever.