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BW, do you ever plan on addressing DPS Mercs/Commandos PvP-wise?

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BW, do you ever plan on addressing DPS Mercs/Commandos PvP-wise?
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Helig
02.24.2013 , 04:39 AM | #1381
Quote: Originally Posted by Jherad View Post
The ability is clearly designed to be used as the setup for focus fire in groups. It'd be kinda odd if it didn't prevent the sage invuln shield.
If that were the case, it should also block Guarded by Bioware. Which it doesn't seem to be doing. It's supposed to prevent escape, not mitigation.
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ArchangelLBC
02.24.2013 , 06:00 PM | #1382
Not necessarily. Guarded lasts 4 (5 with set bonus now?) seconds. If anything it'd be a bug that it doesn't prevent guarded. Afterall it also prevents resilience (mitigation) and Hold the Line, though not saber reflect. So their definition of escape abilities is definitely a tad spotty.

Quote: Originally Posted by Helig View Post
I don't think the Net is supposed to be the frequently used answer to all problems. It's supposed to be a strong, unique, situational cooldown. Luring what amounts to be one of the most powerful PvP cooldowns in the entire game from the enemy is nothing to scoff at. If you don't see it as useful, then you need to reevaluate your tactics and the tactics of your opponents.
45-60s wouldn't be frequent but it would be usable enough to be a consistent factor. It'd basically be like pulls in huttball. If pull was at a 90s cooldown it wouldn't be nearly as useful. There comes a point where a cooldown is so long that you're waiting for exactly the right moment, and worry about using it now, when a more important moment may come up later. That's basically the problem with trinkets. That's my worry with this ability.


Look, right now we're looking at this as being our justification for coming to a ranked warzones. This is what will justify our spot. And at a 90 second cooldown there is a definite argument to be made that the utility will not be available often enough. It would have to consistently be a move which, when properly used, generates a turning point in the game. Setting up a guaranteed focus every 90 seconds? Useful certainly but useful enough to not take us over another Vanguard, a Gunslinger, another Stealth DPS?

The whole meta is going to be changing. Some changes will be big (bai bai bubble stuns), some not so much (I expect a lot of smashers still). Where net fits into the meta is a big question. My initial thought is that the cooldown is too long. Maybe reality won't bear that out. I hope it doesn't. Personally I feel it should be up at least as often as Guarded by the Force, but even a 60s cooldown would be a huge improvement.
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cashogy_reborn
02.24.2013 , 06:26 PM | #1383
60 second cooldown on net would be the sweet spot imo

i also want to pull for a reduction on the Power Surge/Tech Override cooldown. 120s base, 90s talented in arsenal/gunnery. i think that it should be 90s base, 60s talented in arsenal/gunnery.

having it give us 2 charges for instant abilities is a very good addition, but 90s is just too long considering it is the only resistance to interrupts that the spec has.
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evilmoka
02.24.2013 , 06:42 PM | #1384
I don't know if this has been posted or not because it's too long to read, but:

1. We have no way to get melee off us us. (Most is not ALL melee have an anti pushback)
2. ONLY 1 stun. It says 4 seconds, but I have never seen it last more than 2.5 even without a break. This is our ONLY stun and can easily be broken by the free out then we have 0 defense, zero deterrence vs. any melee.
3. EVEN TANKS out dps troopers, in fact by quite a bit. I was crit for over 6300 by a melee and I have at least all battlemeaster gear and same war and elite wh gear on. If I have heavy armor then sorcs are getting crit for 12k right? Nope they aren't. I am targeted top priority in warzones because commados are weak and EVERYONE knows it. Commandos and BH= need a PVP dps boost by quite a lot.
4. Most if not ALL melee have 3-4 interrupts. Commando has NOTHING!!!!! to prevent this at all. NOTHING! I can't get a single cast off. I am assault spec which is better in pvp too and heaven forbid I get off a charged bolt or plasma grenade. We need something like HUNKER DOWN for gunslinger to allow interrupt free casting for at least 5-10 seconds on a short cooldown.
5. Reactive shield is too weak. 12 seconds every 2 minutes. It says 25% dmg, but it can't be true, just like our "heavy armor."

I don't expect the game to be perfect by any means, but I expect bioware to be on the fly and changes HUGE class imbalances. Blizzard knew classes were OP and let it go for like 5 months until the next big patch when that crap could be fixed in a 1 day instant patch.

Here's a smart idea MMO DEVS: Have 2 tooltips on a skill, pvp and pve dmg! OMW I'm a genius. Then pvp doesn't effect pve. Inseatd of fixing one then ruining the other, do it right from the getgo.

I have played the test and the mobility is better and we can at least keep sith war from leaping and assassin from running etc, but that still leaves them with 3 interrupts each.

IMO
1: More defenssive abilities or make heavy armor actually heavy armor like when the game was released.
2: At least 5-10 seconds interrupt free interrupt that can be stacked with the new PTR ability just like the gunslinger mobile shield and hunker down.
3. More DPS or nerf current melee dps. IMO all melee does fridonkulous dmg now and I have yet to be hit even close to that hard by even geared casters.

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Henu
02.24.2013 , 08:17 PM | #1385
Quote: Originally Posted by evilmoka View Post
I don't know if this has been posted or not because it's too long to read, but:

1. We have no way to get melee off us us. (Most is not ALL melee have an anti pushback)
2. ONLY 1 stun. It says 4 seconds, but I have never seen it last more than 2.5 even without a break. This is our ONLY stun and can easily be broken by the free out then we have 0 defense, zero deterrence vs. any melee.
3. EVEN TANKS out dps troopers, in fact by quite a bit. I was crit for over 6300 by a melee and I have at least all battlemeaster gear and same war and elite wh gear on. If I have heavy armor then sorcs are getting crit for 12k right? Nope they aren't. I am targeted top priority in warzones because commados are weak and EVERYONE knows it. Commandos and BH= need a PVP dps boost by quite a lot.
4. Most if not ALL melee have 3-4 interrupts. Commando has NOTHING!!!!! to prevent this at all. NOTHING! I can't get a single cast off. I am assault spec which is better in pvp too and heaven forbid I get off a charged bolt or plasma grenade. We need something like HUNKER DOWN for gunslinger to allow interrupt free casting for at least 5-10 seconds on a short cooldown.
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What are you smoking?
1 we have a knockback
2 we have a root, 4 sec stun and 8 sec stun
3 is just to hard to follow
4 we have an interrupt and out knockback does the job too.
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Smashbrother
02.24.2013 , 08:30 PM | #1386
Quote: Originally Posted by Jherad View Post
The ability is clearly designed to be used as the setup for focus fire in groups. It'd be kinda odd if it didn't prevent the sage invuln shield.
Why would that be odd? Barrier isn't an escape. The sage can't move. That's like saying net should prevent chars from using saber ward, GBTF, deflection, or anything similar. I don't think it should prevent shroud either, though shroud shouldn't remove the "prevent escape" portion of it either.

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DariusCalera
02.24.2013 , 08:46 PM | #1387
Quote: Originally Posted by evilmoka View Post
I don't know if this has been posted or not because it's too long to read, but:

1. We have no way to get melee off us us. (Most is not ALL melee have an anti pushback)
2. ONLY 1 stun. It says 4 seconds, but I have never seen it last more than 2.5 even without a break. This is our ONLY stun and can easily be broken by the free out then we have 0 defense, zero deterrence vs. any melee.
3. EVEN TANKS out dps troopers, in fact by quite a bit. I was crit for over 6300 by a melee and I have at least all battlemeaster gear and same war and elite wh gear on. If I have heavy armor then sorcs are getting crit for 12k right? Nope they aren't. I am targeted top priority in warzones because commados are weak and EVERYONE knows it. Commandos and BH= need a PVP dps boost by quite a lot.
4. Most if not ALL melee have 3-4 interrupts. Commando has NOTHING!!!!! to prevent this at all. NOTHING! I can't get a single cast off. I am assault spec which is better in pvp too and heaven forbid I get off a charged bolt or plasma grenade. We need something like HUNKER DOWN for gunslinger to allow interrupt free casting for at least 5-10 seconds on a short cooldown.
5. Reactive shield is too weak. 12 seconds every 2 minutes. It says 25% dmg, but it can't be true, just like our "heavy armor."
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1: It's called positioning. Learn where the best are to stand to minimize your visibility to the other team. If you think that you can play like a VG because you're assault, you are mistaken. Stay out of the thick of the fighting. Yes, you will still get focused, but it will allow you to put out some DPS.

2: And? Learn to deal with it. Nothing is going to change in this regard. Once again, for a commando, it's all about the positioning.

3: If you're getting out dpsed by a tank then you are bad. Not saying that to be hurtful or anything, given the criteria, it is true. Now lately, I've noticed that I'm not getting focused as much as I had been before because everyone seems to be buying into the theory "Commandos aren't a threat." Well, they buy into it until, for some reason, they let me get a full rotation off, without an interrupt, and they die. Though I understand that this is just because they're bads and don't know any better.

4: Assault is not "better" in PvP. People claim this but I have not seen an actual ounce of proof to back it up. More mobile? Yes, but that just means people think that they're playing a VG and can run into the battle and get curbstomped.

5: BW already knows that heavy armor isn't working like it should be. Deal with it.

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Smashbrother
02.24.2013 , 09:24 PM | #1388
I've got a question about net for anyone on the PTS. Is it off the GCD? I'm hoping yes, because that would make it much better.

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cashogy_reborn
02.24.2013 , 09:47 PM | #1389
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
I've got a question about net for anyone on the PTS. Is it off the GCD? I'm hoping yes, because that would make it much better.
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ArchangelLBC
02.24.2013 , 10:47 PM | #1390
Sadness but not suprisingly so.
In update 2.9 the game will simply uninstall itself for you.

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