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Kaggath Tournament Finals - Traya vs G0-T0

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Kaggath Tournament Finals - Traya vs G0-T0

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Warren-Stride
02.24.2013 , 01:58 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
This argument however hinges on Traya being able to effectively counter everything in G0-T0s powerbase. But can she? Can she take whatever G0-T0 dishes out? I feel this is what needs to be discuss, how effective will G0-T0's myriad of assassins be against Traya.
OFFENSIVE SCENARIOS:

I see a couple different things G0-T0 could do here:

1.) HK-50s
Obviously the hardest-hitting units in G0-T0's powerbase. We've already gone over how Traya will not be able to see this attack coming, nor will she be able to sense them through the Force or sight. The only warning she will have is a few seconds before she is shot by probably dozens of blaster bolts. Beni brought up a good point, which is that Malachor's Core is a giant hole; the HKs could drop down directly into it. Traya will most likely be alone in the chamber, making it HKs vs. Traya. With the element of surprise and Traya's lack of senses, the HKs could (theoretically) defeat her.

2.) Other Droids
Again, Traya will not be able to see this attack coming, seeing as they are droids. These droids, including fake G0-T0s and Remote-clones, could land on Malachor and attempt to activate the Mass Shadow Generator. They're small and also deadly, while not being affected by Malachor's darkness. A lot like the remote. The G0-T0 clones could stealth as well, avoiding any defenses or Storm Beasts. Being the brilliant droid computer that he is, G0-T0 could probably equip one of his droids with a hacker/slicer. G0-T0 obviously knew of the MSG, so this would be a key plan of attack.

Number 1 and 2 would probably be done at the same time.

3.) Gand
Firstly, the Findsmen, who G0-T0 used, were all force-sensitive and their breath-masks would protect them from gases, so they can be on Malachor. They are also plenty capable of using Stealth tech (that G0-T0 obviously has). They've also been known to be experts at technology, with several becoming weapons specialists and engineers. Obviously they won't be going for Traya, but the MSG. The MSG was pretty much unguarded, and even if it is the Gand will have stealth to hide them. Which would also allow them to get past the storm beasts. The only downside is that Traya will (apparently) be able to sense the future and that they are coming.
G0-T0 - "Pazaak bores me. I often suspect my opponent of cheating."
Guri - "I am what I am. I don't think there can be any salvation for me."
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Warren-Stride
02.24.2013 , 02:11 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Edit: Also, we haven't taken Traya's fleet and the gravity well generators into account. She could just go to Nar Shaddaa and trap G0-T0 there while her fighters search for his ship.
DEFENSIVE SENARIOS:

That's like finding a needle in a hay-stack.

And G0-T0 could do several other things as well.

1.) Land his ship.... but keep it stealthed
G0-T0 could dock his yacht, but keep the stealth generator running. He doesn't even need to keep it stealthed, just land it secretly. Its presence would go undetected, seeing as this would be an Exchange dock, and Traya would search and search the sky while the Visionary is actually on the ground.

2.) Disappear to an Exchange Base
Similar to the last, G0-T0 could simply disappear into Nar Shaddaa's underworld. Keep his ship in orbit, but use an escape pod or something to transfer himself to the surface, avoiding Traya's fighters and gravity well. This could be done with option 3.

3.) Flood the Streets.... with G0-T0s (My Favorite!)
G0-T0 has many Sentry Droid Mark 1's in his powerbase, and can obviously make and/or buy more, considering he has the schematics.... they're just like him. Less advanced, but exactly identical to G0-T0 in appearance. So G0-T0 sends his decoys into the streets of Nar Shaddaa. Any one of them could be G0-T0. Would Traya fall for this ploy? Maybe not. But then, maybe G0-T0 is one of them. Having hundreds of G0-T0 droids floating around Nar Shaddaa would leave Traya with limited choices. Hunt them all down or ignore them. All the while, the real G0-T0 could be hiding on his yacht or an Exchange base. Or roaming the streets, safe if Traya doesn't bother with them.
G0-T0 - "Pazaak bores me. I often suspect my opponent of cheating."
Guri - "I am what I am. I don't think there can be any salvation for me."
PROXY - "I was afraid that I wouldn't be able to kill you myself."
HK-01 - "The Great Droid Revolution will not fail."

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Warren-Stride
02.24.2013 , 02:15 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
I think ground forces are more important, and G0-T0 will have his factory locked down tight. So a ground battle is likely.
Well, if Malachor will corrupt his biological forces, G0-T0 would probably send the Zhug Brothers and the Ubese bounty hunters, along with other Exchange forces like the Gamorreans and the aliens of the Jekk'jekk Tar, to guard the bunker. Notice = bunker. It's well defended in of itsself, if G0-T0 fortifies it, the factory is gonna be VERY hard to destroy.

Also, we don't know exactly how many HKs G0-T0 has, but I imagine it's a lot, seeing as he's been producing them for years. Even if he loses the factory, he'll have more than enough HK-50s for attacks on Malachor/Traya.
G0-T0 - "Pazaak bores me. I often suspect my opponent of cheating."
Guri - "I am what I am. I don't think there can be any salvation for me."
PROXY - "I was afraid that I wouldn't be able to kill you myself."
HK-01 - "The Great Droid Revolution will not fail."

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Aurbere
02.24.2013 , 02:45 PM | #54
Personally, I don't see how effective sitting on Malachor is going to be for Traya. Really, G0-T0 could just drop in a few droids and figure out a way to reactivate the Mass Shadow Generator. Traya's best option is to leave Malachor and either set up somewhere else or sit in one of her ships. Either that or find a way to permanently remove the MSG from the equation. I don't know how she could do that, but doing so would greatly increase her chances.

Either option would give her the ability to send her assassins to infiltrate Nar Shaddaa and gather intelligence for her.
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Beniboybling
02.24.2013 , 02:54 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Personally, I don't see how effective sitting on Malachor is going to be for Traya. Really, G0-T0 could just drop in a few droids and figure out a way to reactivate the Mass Shadow Generator. Traya's best option is to leave Malachor and either set up somewhere else or sit in one of her ships. Either that or find a way to permanently remove the MSG from the equation. I don't know how she could do that, but doing so would greatly increase her chances.

Either option would give her the ability to send her assassins to infiltrate Nar Shaddaa and gather intelligence for her.
I think that the best way to kill G0-T0 is to exhaust his powerbase and draw him out. As Warren said, finding G0-T0 is like finding a needle in a haystack.

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Wolfninjajedi
02.24.2013 , 02:57 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
I think that the best way to kill G0-T0 is to exhaust his powerbase and draw him out. As Warren said, finding Traya is like finding a needle in a haystack.
She was speaking of G0-T0. Unless that was a typo.
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Beniboybling
02.24.2013 , 03:08 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
She was speaking of G0-T0. Unless that was a typo.
Lol, oops.

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Canino
02.24.2013 , 04:43 PM | #58
I think another scenario could be to send G0-T0's biological forces somewhere and group them together- to make Traya and her Sith believe that they are protecting the HK's. Now Traya's not stupid, but sending many troops into one place will make her curious, maybe curious to send a couple assassins. G0-T0 could effectively do this in enough places to make Traya believe he has many factories.
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Canino
02.24.2013 , 04:48 PM | #59
Aurbere, you are undoubtedly correct. Forget G0-T0 for a minute, the MSG is here and could go off at any moment. Traya would most definitely move, but where to? Beni, you mentioned Korriban, but Traya would not have the same power she has at Malachor, nor would she have the Trayus Core. Yet on Korriban she has many options with the amount of Temples and ruins. Finding her this way could be hard. But droids are created for many purposes. G0-T0 could create scout droids to investigate or simply bring in assassins with stealth and search them out.
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Ventessel
02.24.2013 , 06:49 PM | #60
I think we can agree that each participant in the Kaggath will take the offensive. Their assassins will search for each other, and they will both go into hiding in one way or another.

G0-T0 will activate the MSG, destroying Malachor V. However, Traya will have fled to a more secure location.

Traya's assassins will eventually infiltrate and destroy the HK Factory on Telos, since the more security there is, the easier it will be to find, but that security can at best only delay the inevitable.

Unless a pitched battle takes place at the HK Factory, and both sides commit more forces...

This is one point at which a strategic decision needs to be made. How much will each side be willing to commit to this fight? We could see all of their forces come together in a bid to wipe out the other's power base in one fell swoop.
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