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Sith Emperor vs Darth Sidious


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DAWUSS
02.23.2013 , 09:53 PM | #421
Sidious was able to do one thing no Sith Lord was ever able to do: Bring down the Republic.

Now, is he the most powerful Sith Lord ever? One of? Yes. THE? Nope. There's too much room for debate in that department.

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Wolfninjajedi
02.23.2013 , 10:00 PM | #422
Quote: Originally Posted by DAWUSS View Post
Sidious was able to do one thing no Sith Lord was ever able to do: Bring down the Republic.

Now, is he the most powerful Sith Lord ever? One of? Yes. THE? Nope. There's too much room for debate in that department.
No there is no debate..
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

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DAWUSS
02.23.2013 , 10:10 PM | #423
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No there is no debate..
Then what the heck has been going on in this thread?


At least the Sith Emperor kinda brought an end to the years-old debate of Revan vs. Palpatine that basically every "Most Powerful Sith Lord" topic boiled down to...

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Wolfninjajedi
02.24.2013 , 10:00 AM | #424
Quote: Originally Posted by DAWUSS View Post
Then what the heck has been going on in this thread?


At least the Sith Emperor kinda brought an end to the years-old debate of Revan vs. Palpatine that basically every "Most Powerful Sith Lord" topic boiled down to...
A number of things really...

1. Fanboyism

2. Ignorance

3. Repeating the same thing over and over again.

Also Revan vs Palpatine? LMAO, ya Revan wouldn't last at all against him.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

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Spartanik
02.24.2013 , 10:08 AM | #425
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
A number of things really...

1. Fanboyism

2. Ignorance

3. Repeating the same thing over and over again.

Also Revan vs Palpatine? LMAO, ya Revan wouldn't last at all against him.
You forgot elitism too. And Arrogance. Over an irrelevant thing.
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kylewhalon
02.24.2013 , 12:25 PM | #426
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Alright so your in agreement then? Also that wasn't Vader saying anything. Not every quote needs to say he is the most powerful Sith ever, those that do are good enough.
that would be a yes... im in absolute agreement... and revan vs sidious? thats ammusing, and to be honest revan is my fav sith lord, but unlike revan fan boys, i know the limts of his power. he stands zero chance against sidious... he's not even in the top 3 as far as most powerful sith lords... probably not even top 5... i would say at least top 10 though... maybe around 9 or 10.

whats the most annoying is i bought kotor the day it came out... and i liked revan the moment i saw him 10 yrs ago. when i started liking him, it wasnt cool to like revan. no one had even heard of him, he was underground. so naturally i started using revan in my screen names. then like 3 years later revan is completely mainstream with a cult following of fan boys completely over emphasizing his power. even though i have no disillusion of revans power, i cant go into any room, with my normal screen names, and not be grouped in with those kids... or be immediately called a revanite... its soooo annoying

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DARTHOSIRUS
02.24.2013 , 01:12 PM | #427
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I know that Lucas said that Sidious is the most powerful sith lord ever bla bla bla...

BUT

You have to realize that the Star Wars universe is constantly expanding - some stuff will get retconned to lesser or greater extent. It is inevitable.

Just read Revan novel and play JK storyline and ask yourself who is superior - Vitiate or Sidious.

Here is some nice quote from codex entry related to the Emperor:



Spoiler


After you find out more about the Emperor you realize what kind of creature of pure evil he is. The way he speaks, everything about him is just terrifying and causes chills to go down your spine. I mean, he killed a sith lord when he was like what, twelve years old? When he was an infant, his eyes were filled with terrible blackness and void (Wth?! How sick and creepy is that?).

He is unlike any being that was ever born, when Lord Scourge who was a Sith Lord took a not even second long glimpse at the Emperor, he cried out like a child.

Some of his abilities on top of my head:
- Being able to perform most complex sith rituals ever attempted (consuming life of the entire planet - billions of live beings destroyed in matters of seconds).
- Being immortal? "His life spans millenia". Also from what I understand, it is almost impossible to completely kill the Emperor. His essence will always live on, attempting to find another host it can possess. For sure the Emperor got some weakness that can be exploited in order to defeat him, as everyone, but noone knows what it is yet.
- Being able to mind control pretty much anyone (though it is possible to resist the Emperor, Revan being the proof of that.

I am pretty sure that it is BioWare's intention to make us feel that Vitiate is in fact the most powerful, evil and dangerous sith/living being to ever exist (including the movies and all post EP6 expanded universe).
I believe Sidious to be among the top powerful sith lords ever but I don't believe he is the most powerful. I agree with what a terrifying devil this Vitiate was. I really don't think Sidious would stand a chance. When I say Sidious I am reffering to non EA Sidious. It is clear EA Sidious becomes something more and is far more more powerful then he was in ROTS and prior. EA Sith would not need a deathstar to destroy planets, he would not have to kill his master in his sleep, and he would certainly be able to to stop Vader from throwing him into the reactor on the second death star. Sidious used his most powerful lightning and still couldn't save himself from Vader's wrath. EA Sidious could turn 100 storm legion to ash with his force lightning. EA Sidious and Vitiate are darkside force Gods who are probably pretty close in power. Who is more powerful is really hard to speculate because they never actually dueled.

Also...

Windu never actually bested Sidious and Sidious never actually bested Yoda. Mace only disarmed Sidious and Sidious nearly fell to the floor along with Yoda following the lightning blast. Sidious without his saber was far from unarmed. It makes sense he was trying to look weak in front of Anakin. His plan all along was to aquire Anakin as his new apprentice. It seems likely Mace would have been toasted by sidious force lightning if anakin decided to wait in the council chambers. It seems likely Yoda and Sidious would continue their duel had they both fallen. That would have been cool to because they would have been both injured and disarmed with only force powers to utillize.

Shame on George Lucas for cheating everyone out of an epic force battle. Anyway when Yoda fell his only real option was to retreat. With that said I dont know why most seem to thing Sidious won. They dueled as equals fought with force lightning and Yoda fell while Sidious barely managed to hang on. If i was fighting someone on a bridge and we exchanged blows for a minute or two then i leap on to my opponent and he/she falls over the ledge and into the water below then makes it to land and and walks away I would hardly consider that a victory.

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Spartanik
02.24.2013 , 06:41 PM | #428
EA? electronic arts sidious? sidious being the mastermind behind electronic arts, that would explain alot actualy.
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kylewhalon
02.25.2013 , 12:43 PM | #429
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Windu never actually bested Sidious and Sidious never actually bested Yoda. Mace only disarmed Sidious and Sidious nearly fell to the floor along with Yoda following the lightning blast. Sidious without his saber was far from unarmed. It makes sense he was trying to look weak in front of Anakin. His plan all along was to aquire Anakin as his new apprentice. It seems likely Mace would have been toasted by sidious force lightning if anakin decided to wait in the council chambers.
Windu absolutely bested sidious, but it wasnt so black and white. he bested him in the duel as far as lightsabers were concerned, but not in the fight as a whole. normally windu wouldnt be able to stand up to sidious in sabers, but mace was drawing on a power source not usually available to him, giving him a power boost. that power boost was the anger and darkness from sidious himself... mace windu's vaapad style lets him draw on the darkness inside himself, as well as the darkness inside his opponent, and release it to make him more powerful in a duel... seeing as he was battling the strongest sith lord ever, he was completely supercharged on sidious' power and was drawing on it to make himself stronger. On top of that windu had more rage than normal inside himself during that fight... finding out palpatine and sidious were the same person had hollowed him to the core. cuz mace windu also had a secret attachment, a secret love, and that was the republic. When his secrect love was threatened he had even more darkness and rage inside himself to draw on.

that being said, windu stood no chance in the fight as a whole. palpatine could have ended it whenever he wanted im sure. but palpatine dueled him without force powers and "lost".. but sidious also allowed himself to be bested. Windu broke the window to lure sidious near the edge so he'd have to use the force to grip the floor against the winds. sidous let himself be lured out knowing windu would beat him, he wanted to be beaten. Sidious was faking fear and Windu drew on the fake fear to grow even more powerful... and thats when anakin walked in

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HiiroColdstar
09.27.2013 , 02:34 PM | #430
Don't forget that Palpatine had trained Darth Maul, who defeated one of the Jedi Order's champions and would've killed Obiwan had he just killed Kenobi as opposed to taunting him. Then Palpatine managed to turn a prestigious Jedi Master to Dark Side. Dooku was powerful in his own right, so the fact that he came to serve Palpatine indicates that Dooku knew that Sidious was not to trifled with. Anakin was so powerful he dominated a veteran Jedi Master who should've been beyond him in lightsaber skill and force mastery. Yet Vader, after 20 years, still was terrified of his master.