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[PvP Guide] Wakaworld: Your resource for advanced Sith Assassin/Jedi Shadow strategy!

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[PvP Guide] Wakaworld: Your resource for advanced Sith Assassin/Jedi Shadow strategy!

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EatenByDistance
02.21.2013 , 07:33 PM | #281
k so did some more thorough testing today....

full madness is just not going to happen without maul, deathmark force regen or the bonus melee damage....its like bioware expects it to just tab dot and use crushing darkness whenever you can as if we were sorcs....so sorcs completely outclass this even more than they already do on live

that mad maul thing isn't going to work because there's no force regen. that's the main problem, discharge dots crit for like 1k which is amazing but you never have the force to use shock which is a huge deal and even using a shockless (which would be dumb) rotation is still too force-starved

wakajinn just doesn't proc static charges enough


While I still think it's bad, full deception seems to be the best bet for non-darkness DPS specs. 5/36/5 or 7/36/3 are probably the best.

@darkscythe I think the 3% melee crit is way more important than some more Static Charge damage, especially since we are doubly reliant on Maul than before.
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DemonJin
02.21.2013 , 07:49 PM | #282
i see you're guys point, i agree with it.
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stephenalandavie
02.22.2013 , 12:14 AM | #283
Quote: Originally Posted by EatenByDistance View Post
k so did some more thorough testing today....

full madness is just not going to happen without maul, deathmark force regen or the bonus melee damage....its like bioware expects it to just tab dot and use crushing darkness whenever you can as if we were sorcs....so sorcs completely outclass this even more than they already do on live

that mad maul thing isn't going to work because there's no force regen. that's the main problem, discharge dots crit for like 1k which is amazing but you never have the force to use shock which is a huge deal and even using a shockless (which would be dumb) rotation is still too force-starved

wakajinn just doesn't proc static charges enough


While I still think it's bad, full deception seems to be the best bet for non-darkness DPS specs. 5/36/5 or 7/36/3 are probably the best.

@darkscythe I think the 3% melee crit is way more important than some more Static Charge damage, especially since we are doubly reliant on Maul than before.
Has their a thread been made about this? all i see are threads about tanking force issues and devs responses to it.

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Xethis
02.22.2013 , 12:54 AM | #284
Quote: Originally Posted by EatenByDistance View Post
k so did some more thorough testing today....

full madness is just not going to happen without maul, deathmark force regen or the bonus melee damage....its like bioware expects it to just tab dot and use crushing darkness whenever you can as if we were sorcs....so sorcs completely outclass this even more than they already do on live

that mad maul thing isn't going to work because there's no force regen. that's the main problem, discharge dots crit for like 1k which is amazing but you never have the force to use shock which is a huge deal and even using a shockless (which would be dumb) rotation is still too force-starved

wakajinn just doesn't proc static charges enough


While I still think it's bad, full deception seems to be the best bet for non-darkness DPS specs. 5/36/5 or 7/36/3 are probably the best.

@darkscythe I think the 3% melee crit is way more important than some more Static Charge damage, especially since we are doubly reliant on Maul than before.
These are my exact thoughts. I really tried to find a new wakajinn, but just like you said, it does not proc enough static charges, sometimes ill be sitting at 1 or two stacks for around 30 seconds before I get the third.

There are two specs I am working on right now, both are utilizing the Impose Weakness talent and taking 31pnts in Deception. Since Surging Charge is utterly useless with out VS now, I was thinking of going up Darkness to get Energize and Disjunction and running in Dark Charge. http://pts.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20 (one point left over to do as you pls) You don't get all the defensive benefits or utility out of the Darkness tree but you do get 100% crit rate on your Shocks. You do run Dark Charge so you get the armor and healing from that also. Your basically utilizing your increased Maul procs and all the goodies from Deception with the defense and Shock crits from Darkness.

The other one I am tinkerying with is basically the same thing but going the other direction with the Madness tree. Now you cannot have Impose Weakness and Raze in the same spec so that throws my MadMaul hopes out the window. However you can still get enough for increased Thrash crit and the Glorious Deathfield. http://pts.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20 Again, you can run this in DarkCharge for the obvious reasons even though the whole second tier of the Madness tree would be wasted. Or you can run in Lightning Charge since the dot is going to hit pretty dang hard.

If they fix Bloster system in WZ's on the ptr I will try these specs out as much as I can.

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Xethis
02.22.2013 , 01:06 AM | #285
So I am trying my Darkness/Deception hybrid and stumbled on some nice synergy. Apparently the 50% increased crit damage from Crackling Blast for Shock will stack with the 50% crit damage from Energize during the Recklessness buff. Just the initial Shock is critting just under 7k and thats not including Chain Shock. Im getting all wet.

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EatenByDistance
02.22.2013 , 02:06 AM | #286
aaand now I'm trying Wakajinn again

its working roughly similar to full deception I guess....You don't get Discharge as much but you don't need to rely on crappy VS for everything so that's good


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Quote: Originally Posted by Xerain
...and the only person who doesn't think so is some B-team assassin DPS who is just dragging his team down by playing the incorrect spec.

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Xethis
02.22.2013 , 03:52 AM | #287
Out of the two specs I talked about above, the Darkness one is way more damage than the Madness hybrid. The Energized Shocks are doing way more damage than Shocks and Deathfield at a standard crit rate. An energized Shock is not only 100% crit, but with Recklessness its 100% increased crit damage, I really do not know what spec is going to be able to compete with that.

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iesnbold
02.22.2013 , 06:32 AM | #288
EDIT : nvm, what I said was a bunch of crap due to typos in swtor-spy skill calculator.

about 12/31/3, tested it, force management is crap without blood of the sith and with high cost Shocks. I don't think it's viable, tho it hurts idd.

Can't test anything in glitched WZ's which is a shame, and nobody comes to DK spaceport Right now on dummy, (with huge server lag), full deception feels better than anything else, changes makes the rotation a lot more fluid. Impose weakness kinda makes up for the RNG-based discharge burst which will probably suck for focus-fire and on-demand burst.

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Qeuzolt
02.22.2013 , 01:40 PM | #289
Been playing around with this http://pts.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20
0/29/17 giving up auto-maul for raze and running lightning charge

I don't see the point in gettign static cling and magnetism just to get auto duplicity proc, seems like alot of wasted points.

Would be intrested in that Darkness hybrid build with 100% shock dmg. Are you finding your self force starved? I wonder how much alacrity it would take to overcome force starvation in some of these builds
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Xethis
02.23.2013 , 12:24 AM | #290
Quote: Originally Posted by Qeuzolt View Post
Been playing around with this http://pts.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20
0/29/17 giving up auto-maul for raze and running lightning charge

I don't see the point in gettign static cling and magnetism just to get auto duplicity proc, seems like alot of wasted points.

Would be intrested in that Darkness hybrid build with 100% shock dmg. Are you finding your self force starved? I wonder how much alacrity it would take to overcome force starvation in some of these builds
I do find the force management pretty challenging. A couple of things I am doing is first of all not running my force pool to zero. I know we are used spamming abilities and only Saber Striking when we have absolutely no force. I start putting Saber Strikes in the rotation if I drop below 20 force. This is helping quite a bit for having enough force foreShock. Second, we cannot just spam Thrash. Having enough force for Shock is a must, we got to budget for it. I found that if I could manage to use Low Slah right after a Maul for a second Maul I actually gained force necause of how cheap Mauls are. Abuse your Blackout ability and reset it as often as you can with Shroud.

When I did these things I was always just one Saber Strike away from being able to use my costly Shocks. Saber Striking before was a clear indication you were doing something wrong, got to set that mind set to the side. Being able to afford Shocks with this spec is well worth it. Many other AC's have to fill with there auto attacks far more than we do, don't get too discuraged just yet. Lastly, we are all familiar with how much ccc there is in this gae, we are all familiar with what our force pool looks like when we get out of that cc.

I know I already said lastly but just thought of another positive reason to fill with Saber Strike even when we can afford Thrash, Dark Charge has a 65% chance to proc.