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Why im bummed about 2.0.


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Khevar
02.22.2013 , 02:56 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by MaximusRex View Post
Everyone gets 2.0, Makeb is the Expansion, Makeb is not in 2.0
Makeb isn't on the test server YET.

What makes you think it's not going to be in 2.0 when released?

Basic Commendations (used to by Arkanian gear) are obtained by doing 51-55 quests on Makeb.

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jgoldsack
02.22.2013 , 02:57 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
Makeb isn't on the test server YET.

What makes you think it's not going to be in 2.0 when released?

Basic Commendations (used to by Arkanian gear) are obtained by doing 51-55 quests on Makeb.
Makeb will NOT be on the PTS... at least it will not be on the PTS to where anyone can access it if it is.
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Urael
02.22.2013 , 02:59 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by VarKoE View Post
This may not exist on a large scale project. Venture capital is tight now. WoW is like it is because market research showed it would generate an acceptable rate of return. Any new product will have to show it can as well. Capital providers are risk adverse now. (More than usual) I suspect most new games will be build around multiple revenue streams. This means "new" will probably not be that new.
Indeed. And this is why I don't understand why people are so upset. The "new new" is really the "old new" but repackaged. They only thing "new" that SWTOR did was successfully merge the bioware brand RPG with the MMORPG game. It did not implement a successful AAA MMORPG that is "new and innovative" as it was "hyped". Best part of SWTOR is the "RPG" Story part. They are giving this away for free ( go figure ), instead of capitalizing on their strength. They are also for all intents and purposes "abandoning" the Story (again the most successful part of the game) to a watered down "generic planet story" for all. With out the draw of individual "class stories", SWTOR is "just another MMORGP" er ... with lightsabres. It really surprises me how there are those that can't see this. They need to manage their expectations.

Quote: Originally Posted by VarKoE View Post
I think i read you cancelled your sub. If your not having fun i get that. However i always like reading your take whether i agree or not. I really hope you stick around but best of luck gaming in the future.
Indeed. I have a few paid days left. I am weening myself slowly off of the forums. Commenting less and less (I am sure to my detractors joy), and not going "cold turkey". I am kinda on "the patch" so to speak. The SWTOR Forums were the only part of SWTOR that I really enjoyed. Well that and the class stories. My favorite part of the forums has been meeting the people who are passionate about their views concerning SWTOR whether I agree with them or not. I enjoyed the "well constructed" debates many have shared in with me. I will admit I will miss that part. I have an open inventation to exchange emails via PM to you or anyone who wished to continue to correspond.

Peace and Safe Travels,
Urael

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Projawa
02.22.2013 , 03:23 PM | #24
I'm having fun with the game and I'll be playing ROTHC but the lack of class stories in this 'xpack' is a glaring hole.
This game has always been a WoW derivative which is neither a good or bad thing, it just is what it is. However SWTOR starting to feel less immersive, less like SWTOR in a way.

I just hope Bioware continues to do well enough that they can make a 'proper' xpack in the future that continues the class/companion stories with at least the same quality as 1-50.

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gabarooni
02.22.2013 , 03:24 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
There is nothing "new" about those games. Upon careful analysis those game are just "repackaging" a "gear grind" or more importantly "stat grind". SWTOR is already a WoW clone. You expected something different? Everything they implement is a WoW knock off in some shape, way or form. But, pretty much everyone else is doing the same thing.

I don't have the answers. But, it seems like those in the game industry that make games don't either. We will have to "wait for the chosen one" to be hired by some company. May this be you dear reader?
If you think there is nothing new about games like The elder scrolls online then you have done Zero reserch my friend. And im not just talking about the pre release hype im an old school MMO player from the UO area and its safe to say that all that was OLD is becoming New again not this boring wow/eq crap gamestyle where the game does everything for you but push the buttons on your keyboard.
New Gear is the ONLY type of character progression at endgame. Raiders are not the only ones who want to continue to progress their toons throughout an expansion. Im a bad bad speller.

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Jonoku
02.22.2013 , 03:29 PM | #26
server transfers not included is making me discouraged to sub again.

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chuixupu
02.22.2013 , 03:32 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
Indeed. And this is why I don't understand why people are so upset. The "new new" is really the "old new" but repackaged. They only thing "new" that SWTOR did was successfully merge the bioware brand RPG with the MMORPG game. It did not implement a successful AAA MMORPG that is "new and innovative" as it was "hyped".
I don't believe that was their intention either, as stated in an interview last March:

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Richard and Dallas began with the high level goals of The Old Republic: to reach 1,000,000 subscribers, and to innovate carefully, by introducing Bioware’s expertise in storytelling to MMORPGs. Richard explained that they weren’t intending to revolutionize MMOs, just make them better in key areas. “If you offer nothing different, you fail. But we are an MMORPG. We have to have the core MMORPG feel. Our players have to feel familiar as soon as they start.”
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server transfers not included is making me discouraged to sub again.
We don't know if that's the case.

As we can see with the PTS right now, the transfer system that they say is supposed to be the groundwork for future transfers is far from perfect and is causing quite a bit of headaches.
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Jonoku
02.22.2013 , 03:38 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
We don't know if that's the case.

As we can see with the PTS right now, the transfer system that they say is supposed to be the groundwork for future transfers is far from perfect and is causing quite a bit of headaches.
I guess I should hit the cancel sub button then.

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chuixupu
02.22.2013 , 03:42 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Jonoku View Post
I guess I should hit the cancel sub button then.
Only you know the answer to that. But I think you misunderstand my post. I said we don't know that we won't get transfers with Makeb because they haven't said that they will or won't, only that they're coming later this year. That is why they are *in testing* right now. It's buggy. They want to release something that you know, works.
Wardens of Fate / Alea Iacta Est
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Urael
02.22.2013 , 03:45 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
I don't believe that was their intention either, as stated in an interview last March.
One more recent interview doesn't negate all the previous messaging. This is akin to saying that EA ALWAYS intended that SWTOR was going to be Freemium when they clearly stated that they wanted to make a successful subscription game. They "pivioted" because they failed at their initial objectives. They failed to be "the WoW killer" that everyone thought SWTOR would be; EA, BW, and the SWTOR community included. You can not use selective messaging to change the entirety of memory. That only works on some. EA and EAware are all about messaging these days. Their product failed. It is not what they originally intended. If it was: The first round of people that left would still be here, I wouldn't have unsubscribed and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.