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Someone has to take your spot when you leave

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Sadishist
02.19.2013 , 05:29 PM | #1
Remember this, when you leave early because you don't want to waste your time, remember that every time you do someone who is waiting next in the queue has to waste their time taking your spot. Think about this next time you leave a warzone early.
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foxmob
02.19.2013 , 05:46 PM | #2
you're wasting your breath. there's no honor in pvp. do you really think the guy(s) who quit(s) give a damn about the sucker who back fills? see the request to eliminate back fill thread. a dev popped in and suggest a few things they're working on to tweak the system.

you will never get rid of quitters.

never.

stahp!

it won't happen.

find another way.
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Sathid
02.19.2013 , 06:02 PM | #3
You can shame them on fleet though,guilds do not care for people within their guild doing stuff like that,be a man and stick it out or go play with the girls in the cantina i say.

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Joesixxpack
02.19.2013 , 06:03 PM | #4
When I see more threads griping about solo DMers, objective ignorers, def comm farmers, mute inc callers, etc. than leavers, I will start paying attention to threads about leavers.
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rlamela
02.19.2013 , 06:52 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Sadishist View Post
Remember this, when you leave early because you don't want to waste your time, remember that every time you do someone who is waiting next in the queue has to waste their time taking your spot. Think about this next time you leave a warzone early.
Not to be a DICK, wait who am I kidding. I don't think about them I think of me. I like me. I like me not staying in warzones with people who don't want to win so they don't do the simple things. And when it happens to me and I backfill a losing match I quit that match also. I mean the person who quit had a good reason so why would I want to stay. Everynow and then I will stay in a backfill match if I only need 1 more for my daily and Im running out of me time.

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rlamela
02.19.2013 , 06:53 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Sathid View Post
You can shame them on fleet though,guilds do not care for people within their guild doing stuff like that,be a man and stick it out or go play with the girls in the cantina i say.
If I quit the warzone I already was playing with the girls. I mean men couldnt suck that bad could they

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WickedImage
02.19.2013 , 07:09 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Sadishist View Post
Remember this, when you leave early because you don't want to waste your time, remember that every time you do someone who is waiting next in the queue has to waste their time taking your spot. Think about this next time you leave a warzone early.
If you're smart, you only waste a minute.....literally. Just quit when you see that you're backfilling. simple solution.
Now, lets focus on the actual problems not the symptoms of those problems, shall we?
Instead of asking for folks to not quit...maybe ask the devs for a /resign feature? Just sayin'........
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ktkenshinx
02.19.2013 , 07:36 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Sadishist View Post
Remember this, when you leave early because you don't want to waste your time, remember that every time you do someone who is waiting next in the queue has to waste their time taking your spot. Think about this next time you leave a warzone early.
This kind of ethical and interpersonal arguments against leaving a warzone is way, way more compelling/interesting than those of the "man up bro" and "take your licks" variety. Arguments in the latter category are just strangely misplaced in regards to SWTOR pug PvP; people that need to prove their ability to "man up" in a video game need to be finding other hobbies. They are also generally irrational.

But the moral arguments introduce a new and interesting element to the puzzle: The other human beings in your game. And as you might suspect, there are no simple answers. It all depends on what your own ethical orientations are.

Some people might think that your own needs come before those of others, and for them, the conversation would end right there. Others might go the way of Kant (at least in his simplest form) and assume that any behavior we can't universalize is a behavior that we shouldn't engage in.This is also a version of our esteemed "Golden Rule" (Do unto others as you would have done unto you, etc.), a principle that is surely relevant here. We could also pick up a utilitarian calculus to judge this behavior, approving of actions that enable the greatest good with the least harm. Or countless other moral guidelines from countless other moral systems.

Without getting into a really gratuitous argument about what ethical system is best, we can't really make a good judgment about leaving a WZ, even if the idea is very interesting.

But what I will say is this (even if it's a bit utilitarian without paying enough respect to other theories): The person who fills in for you is probably being harmed less than the person who sticks around. The guy who backlogs for you? He shrugs, maybe cusses "**** a losing WZ!", and then just leaves the game; because he joined the game late anyway, he feels no agency in its loss and no investment in its outcome. So he will just requeue having wasted very little time and experiencing very little frustration. Or maybe he loves the uphill fight so he stays around to play it out! In that case, you did him a favor.

For you, however, by remaining in the WZ and wasting your own time on a thoroughly unenjoyable activity, you incur a big hit to your own happiness. Your own loss of happiness, not to mention 10 minutes of your time, is comparatively much larger than the minor frustration and wasted 60 seconds experienced by the backlogger.

It's not the ONLY way to view the ethical problem, but it is definitely one way to do so.
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Sztoid
02.19.2013 , 07:52 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Sadishist View Post
Remember this, when you leave early because you don't want to waste your time, remember that every time you do someone who is waiting next in the queue has to waste their time taking your spot. Think about this next time you leave a warzone early.
Better them than me. I have already thought about it and wish them the best of luck.

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Maraxuss
02.19.2013 , 08:00 PM | #10
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Better them than me. I have already thought about it and wish them the best of luck.
When they institute 30 - 45 min debuff, i'll wish you the best of luck as you stand on fleet twiddling thumbs in gen chat too. We all win.
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