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A Summary of Increased Repair Cost Problems (for BW/EA)

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A Summary of Increased Repair Cost Problems (for BW/EA)
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Ratajack
02.19.2013 , 09:53 AM | #1091
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
The proper conclusion is that it affects different players with different specific setups of gear differently. So those denying the existence of a problem are not processing the available data correctly.

That's like someone living in Arizona not believing the oceans exist.
I'm going to assume that you are not inferring that I am denying a problem exists, but rather just clarifying why different people are seeing different results in their tests.

Have I not repeatedly stated that the new bug causing repair costs to be calculated based on shell value needs to be fixed? Repair costs should be based on the item modifications only, and not the shell. The only time a shell should have any nearing on repair costs should be when that item is not moddable.

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DarthTHC
02.19.2013 , 09:55 AM | #1092
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I'm going to assume that you are not inferring that I am denying a problem exists, but rather just clarifying why different people are seeing different results in their tests.

Have I not repeatedly stated that the new bug causing repair costs to be calculated based on shell value needs to be fixed? Repair costs should be based on the item modifications only, and not the shell. The only time a shell should have any nearing on repair costs should be when that item is not moddable.
No, the post I quoted seemed like a rhetorical question, to which I gave a somewhat rhetorical answer.

Repair costs do need to be fixed and be calculated in a rational, well thought out manner.

That is not what is happening now. They're all forked up now. Why EA refuses to roll it back or even comment beyond "we're looking at it durrrrr" is beyond me and incredibly frustrating.
Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought. ~ Isaac Bashevis Singer

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Ratajack
02.19.2013 , 10:04 AM | #1093
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Why do you think a game should force tedious, boring, unfun things on its paying customers?

In what universe would someone who's paying for entertainment continue to pay for that?

Do you have to sweep the floors in a movie theater after buying your ticket?

Person B is either entertained by the dailies or... something. Too stupid to realize he's not having fun?
If you don't want to continue to pay for the entertainment you get from this game, then don't. It's an MMO. You know, those games that are all about grinding and making players work for things. MMO's are rarely, if ever, only about entertainment. If you feel that the fact that you pay to access EA/BW's servers makes you "entitled" to grind free entertainment, then you expect something for which you are not paying. In other words, you expect something for nothing. Oh, that would be your own definition of entitled, by the way.

In the end, you have to make a decision. Is the entertainment value of the "fun" parts of the game enough to justify some grinding, or does the grind outweigh the entertainment? If you find that the entertainment value is high enough, then I look forward to seeing you in game. If the grind outweighs the entertainment value, then I wish you well in your future gaming.

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Mercurial_Harpy
02.19.2013 , 10:05 AM | #1094
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
...then in my opinion person B has an entitled mindset, especially if he wants to complain about the higher repair costs and ask for them be lowered.
So, it's fine with you that repair costs are varying wildly across the player base, and the change seems to be based on what shell you're using rather than the mods? For example, a level 37 in Legacy/Cartel Gear with blue or purple mods will have a higher repair bill than a level 50 with 63 mods wearing a PvP shell?

That's entitlement to you? Again, this word entitlement, I do not think it means what you think it means.

Here are some other words you may want to look up. They are relevant in this instance.
"Consistent" and "scale."
Here, I'll use them in a sentence for educational purposes:

"Gear durability should properly scale with player level, and that scale should be consistent for all players."

But hey, if the game is fine for you the way it is, good for you. It's not for the majority of people posting in these thread. It's fine if you convinced yourself that Bioware intended to push a change that would punish players for using the Legacy System or Cartel Market, arguably they biggest selling point in the game at this time. It's a free country, after all.

But for most of us, it's even less ok that it's now a week since this was pushed live and not a word from Bioware about a fix, much less explaining how the above scenario is exactly what they intended and there is no bug. At this point, I'm not even really expecting them to address it. I'm just checking the thread out of morbid curiosity to see how many pages it gets to be without a Bioware response. Either way, my sub runs out at the end of the month.

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Ratajack
02.19.2013 , 10:08 AM | #1095
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
No, the post I quoted seemed like a rhetorical question, to which I gave a somewhat rhetorical answer.

Repair costs do need to be fixed and be calculated in a rational, well thought out manner.

That is not what is happening now. They're all forked up now. Why EA refuses to roll it back or even comment beyond "we're looking at it durrrrr" is beyond me and incredibly frustrating.
On that, we can agree. Repair costs need to be fixed so that eveyone is paying the same amount based on the item mods and not the shell. I would like to see something from EA also at least acknowledging exactly what the problem is and that they are working on it, although I understand why they might be reluctant to do so, based on history.

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portichae
02.19.2013 , 10:10 AM | #1096
Dear to who/whom ever it may concern,

I belong(ed?) to an active progression raiding guild (Mostly 16 man EC nim as well as 8 man nim ec groups)

Due to the recent change in repair costs our guild has cut back significantly on raiding as the costs to repair have taken a rather large toll on our players moral and guild bank funds.

Now i'm not saying the change of repair costs was a bad idea. I'm simply stating that the current state of repair costs has led to many in my guild (in-which all are subscribers) deciding (risks != reward) and are actively seeking challenges in other games.

As you can see I make no assertions nor do I conclude whether the change in repair costs "is" in fact a problem. I simply felt it best to state my own personal observations. I hope that your own experiences lead you to your own conclusions.

Thank You
PvP Gear progression degrades competition.

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DarthTHC
02.19.2013 , 10:12 AM | #1097
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
If you don't want to continue to pay for the entertainment you get from this game, then don't. It's an MMO. You know, those games that are all about grinding and making players work for things. MMO's are rarely, if ever, only about entertainment. If you feel that the fact that you pay to access EA/BW's servers makes you "entitled" to grind free entertainment, then you expect something for which you are not paying. In other words, you expect something for nothing. Oh, that would be your own definition of entitled, by the way.

In the end, you have to make a decision. Is the entertainment value of the "fun" parts of the game enough to justify some grinding, or does the grind outweigh the entertainment? If you find that the entertainment value is high enough, then I look forward to seeing you in game. If the grind outweighs the entertainment value, then I wish you well in your future gaming.
Well, you see, that's the problem right there. So many "fans" said that to so many players in the Spring of 2012 that EA had to go into panic mode, drop all new content development, and shift to a pay-for-gambling-packs mentality to make money off the game.

Most of the remaining subscribers are raiders, and raiders are most impacted by this "bug" "fix". Do we want them to all quit, too? What will the next panic mode reaction from EA be? Closing the servers? Or finding more insidious ways to extract additional money from your wallet via the Cartel Market?

Yes, I have in fact cancelled my account due to not only the bug but also the way they're not handling it. I won't be forced to do unfun things in a game. I don't think many raiders who are here to pay for the challenge of raiding - or even the gear drops - will either. There are plenty of alternatives out there.
Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought. ~ Isaac Bashevis Singer

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Ratajack
02.19.2013 , 10:15 AM | #1098
Quote: Originally Posted by Mercurial_Harpy View Post
So, it's fine with you that repair costs are varying wildly across the player base, and the change seems to be based on what shell you're using rather than the mods? For example, a level 37 in Legacy/Cartel Gear with blue or purple mods will have a higher repair bill than a level 50 with 63 mods wearing a PvP shell?

That's entitlement to you? Again, this word entitlement, I do not think it means what you think it means.

Here are some other words you may want to look up. They are relevant in this instance.
"Consistent" and "scale."
Here, I'll use them in a sentence for educational purposes:

"Gear durability should properly scale with player level, and that scale should be consistent for all players."

But hey, if the game is fine for you the way it is, good for you. It's not for the majority of people posting in these thread. It's fine if you convinced yourself that Bioware intended to push a change that would punish players for using the Legacy System or Cartel Market, arguably they biggest selling point in the game at this time. It's a free country, after all.

But for most of us, it's even less ok that it's now a week since this was pushed live and not a word from Bioware about a fix, much less explaining how the above scenario is exactly what they intended and there is no bug. At this point, I'm not even really expecting them to address it. I'm just checking the thread out of morbid curiosity to see how many pages it gets to be without a Bioware response. Either way, my sub runs out at the end of the month.

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You may have missed the multiple posts in which I state that repair costs should be based on item mods and not the shell, and that this needs to be fixed. I even think that players should voice their displeasure. There is a difference between voicing displeasure while doing what one can to alleviate the problem while you wait for a solution, and screaming that there is a problem and demanding that it be fixed while refusing to make use of the means at your disposal to alleviate the problem while you wait for a solution. In my opinion, the former is rational and mature, and the latter is entitled.

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portichae
02.19.2013 , 10:37 AM | #1099
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
You may have missed the multiple posts in which I state that repair costs should be based on item mods and not the shell, and that this needs to be fixed. I even think that players should voice their displeasure. There is a difference between voicing displeasure while doing what one can to alleviate the problem while you wait for a solution, and screaming that there is a problem and demanding that it be fixed while refusing to make use of the means at your disposal to alleviate the problem ile you wait for a solution. In my opinion, the former is rational and mature, and the latter is entitled.
Dear Poster,

I am confused by your use of the word "entitled" do you mean to say that entitlement is neither rational or mature or that rational and mature people are not entitled to a solution? Do you mean that people who demand a fix while refusing to take measures to alleviate their problem while a solution is made to resolve their problem are entitled? Either of these cases I find very confusing.

Or perhaps you are confusing actual entitlement with the phrase "a false sense of entitlement "which I believe is a common idiomatic expression which would entail the individual thinks that they are entitled to something when in actuality they are entitled to nothing. I apologies English is not my first language.
PvP Gear progression degrades competition.

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Ratajack
02.19.2013 , 10:46 AM | #1100
Quote: Originally Posted by portichae View Post
Dear Poster,

I am confused by your use of the word "entitled" do you mean to say that entitlement is neither rational or mature or that rational and mature people are not entitled to a solution? Do you mean that people who demand a fix while refusing to take measures to alleviate their problem while a solution is made to resolve their problem are entitled? Either of these cases I find very confusing.

Or perhaps you are confusing actual entitlement with the phrase "a false sense of entitlement "which I believe is a common idiomatic expression which would entail the individual thinks that they are entitled to something when in actuality they are entitled to nothing. I apologies English is not my first language.
I used the word "entitled" in place of the more correct "false sense of entitlement".