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Thank you for f...ing our ops

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ZORG
02.18.2013 , 01:11 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
That's EXACTLY the point: it's not HARD like the ops are.

It's tedious and boring and time-consuming... exactly the OPPOSITE of what we (those of us who have life responsibilities like work, school and families) want from a game we pay to play.
I hear ya bro. However if they make it any easier then the lifers (as I call them. You know the ones who don't work or are unemployed) will dominate everything and then they will start complaining that they have done everything. Then the devs will put in more time or money sinks.

I really wish the game was a bit more like Evwequest now. Even though when I was playin it I did complain at how long it took to level. They at least had really good CARETS to keep me goin.
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Stradlin
02.18.2013 , 01:25 PM | #32
OP OP OP. It is clear you and your guild have not learned to play SWTOR yet. Why do you think Cartel Market is there. All you need to do is spend like 20-40 bux a month to buy some gear from there and then sell it via GTN. There, see? repair costs for several weeks nicely covered. If and when you run out of money, just buy another ridiculous cartel derp package and sell it again. No problems here. See, Bioware thought of this and is already providing perfectly good non time consuming way for you to make money. Now stop whining and go help EA print some more free 0 effort cash.

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TheIrage
02.18.2013 , 01:26 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Mavery View Post
The increased repair cost is the scapegoat. People are leaving for other reasons; the repair cost is a convenient excuse.

If you're in a good guild that doesn't wipe to silly stuff you're looking at a 200k to 300k repair bill a week. With how easy it is to make credits (most of which can be done by even the most casual player) I don't see the problem.

Edit; I was generous with the amount. Repairs should likely be around 100k or so.
I may have missed your background but I feel it is relevant for the argument you are making.

Are you progressing through HMTBF or HM/NiMEC? How much of your guilds play time is dedicated to that ?

I can see those in hardcore guilds that have downed all content not having much on an issue because 1) They usually amass large credit banks thanks to being ahead on crafting and having a much more reliable stream of high end mats and/because 2) They are not wiping as much since almost all relevant content is on farm.

I can also see those who spend the majority of their time not doing progression yet still playing the game not having much of an issue because... well, if you are running SM ops and HM EC and EV and HM FPs over and over and not wiping because ... well you shouldn't then yea this change doesn't affect you as much. I actually feel many posters ( such as you) are likely in this category . Then again I also think there is a substantial amount suspicious pro-Bioware biased posts from allegedly non-emplyee/non-pay to post gamers... but that is a different topic.

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DarthTHC
02.18.2013 , 01:35 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by TheIrage View Post
Then again I also think there is a substantial amount suspicious pro-Bioware biased posts from allegedly non-emplyee/non-pay to post gamers... but that is a different topic.
I thought that about some players too. Turns out, months down the road, they are now just as critical of EA as I was way back then.

While I imagine it's possible paid shills exist and are posting here, I doubt that the majority of, or possibly even any, people supporting EA in this matter are such. I think they're just people who don't care to try to see anyone else's POV or have such a religious fervor for this game they can't force themselves through the cognitive dissonance required to do so.

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DarthFamine
02.18.2013 , 01:36 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by MaximusRex View Post
They said they might bring the other events back, this event was designed to reoccur regularly, though people like you would probably freak out less if they actually said how often the even will recur. Also, the vendors aren't going away with the event, so if you have a bunch of alts you can probably get enough rep items to keep capping it every week after the event ends. I predict that there will be players with these weapons before the next cycle.
I'll give you that one, a little communication goes a long way. I honestly hope they fix this mess. just seems to be getting worse all the time though. Like I said, when have they ever listened to me. Probably rolling in it enough that my measly 15 bucks wont hurt em one bit.
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TheIrage
02.18.2013 , 01:54 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
I thought that about some players too. Turns out, months down the road, they are now just as critical of EA as I was way back then.

While I imagine it's possible paid shills exist and are posting here, I doubt that the majority of, or possibly even any, people supporting EA in this matter are such. I think they're just people who don't care to try to see anyone else's POV or have such a religious fervor for this game they can't force themselves through the cognitive dissonance required to do so.
Interesting note. I can agree that there are people that just don't care or can't care because their fanaticism gets on the way of doing so. But going through the forums and reading a feedback/criticism posts followed by a multitude of polarized responses... makes me wonder.

I mean look at this repair cost issue... Every gamer benefits from reducing the cost. Am I missing something? Any cred that is not sunk into the game via repairs its a cred in your packet... that can be used to buy gear, mods, upgrades, cosmetics... So I ask, what advantage is there to the increase in repair cost for a gamer? I can see it benefits BW from both the cartel market and play time perspective... But not to the those of us who play the game and have no financial ties with BW.

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Mavery
02.18.2013 , 02:02 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Osryri View Post
Your making an assumption that everyone is in a hard core guild filled with players who have no life outside the game. I cant get on this game for that long now and when I see an hour of dailies gone to repair bills because I tried to get through a flashpoint with an entire group of fresh level 50's, then its not worth it at all. Dailies are boring but to realize you did them and have nothing to show for it is a reason to stop playing. I canceled my sub because this issue was the freaking last straw.
No, I'm not making that assumption. But you seem to make the assumption that anyone who has raid success has no life. My guild has two mandatory raid days per week; and some players I only see on raid days, some every day, and others only on weekends. But yes, we all live in the game (that's sarcasm).

Dailies aren't the best way to make credits. Crafting and the gtn is. If you don't have time for dailies (as rare as that is) there are ways to make more than enough money to cover repairs.

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Mavery
02.18.2013 , 02:07 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by TheIrage View Post
I may have missed your background but I feel it is relevant for the argument you are making.

Are you progressing through HMTBF or HM/NiMEC? How much of your guilds play time is dedicated to that ?

I can see those in hardcore guilds that have downed all content not having much on an issue because 1) They usually amass large credit banks thanks to being ahead on crafting and having a much more reliable stream of high end mats and/because 2) They are not wiping as much since almost all relevant content is on farm.

I can also see those who spend the majority of their time not doing progression yet still playing the game not having much of an issue because... well, if you are running SM ops and HM EC and EV and HM FPs over and over and not wiping because ... well you shouldn't then yea this change doesn't affect you as much. I actually feel many posters ( such as you) are likely in this category . Then again I also think there is a substantial amount suspicious pro-Bioware biased posts from allegedly non-emplyee/non-pay to post gamers... but that is a different topic.
My guild has been done progression for a long time now but I also know guilds who are still progressing and there are no complaints about repairs.

I guess my biggest thing is I don't see an issue with 300k repair bills when making millions of credits a day is so easy.

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iamthehoyden
02.18.2013 , 02:10 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by TheIrage View Post
So I ask, what advantage is there to the increase in repair cost for a gamer? I can see it benefits BW from both the cartel market and play time perspective... But not to the those of us who play the game and have no financial ties with BW.
According to some of the responses higher repair bills will "weed out the baddies" and make raiding more exclusive. So many people pulled from the womb as uber-gamers who were born knowing how to be awesomesauce and never wiped on anything. These gods walk among us. We should be grateful to bask in their shadow.
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DarthTHC
02.18.2013 , 02:12 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by TheIrage View Post
Interesting note. I can agree that there are people that just don't care or can't care because their fanaticism gets on the way of doing so. But going through the forums and reading a feedback/criticism posts followed by a multitude of polarized responses... makes me wonder.

I mean look at this repair cost issue... Every gamer benefits from reducing the cost. Am I missing something? Any cred that is not sunk into the game via repairs its a cred in your packet... that can be used to buy gear, mods, upgrades, cosmetics... So I ask, what advantage is there to the increase in repair cost for a gamer? I can see it benefits BW from both the cartel market and play time perspective... But not to the those of us who play the game and have no financial ties with BW.
Yeah, you're missing something.

If repair costs are increased to the point that "casuals" can't or won't do operations any more, then only those who have the time to grind daily missions or find other ways to earn a ton of credits can do operations.

It's a gating mechanism - control mechanism - over who gets to see the holy land of ops.


Quote: Originally Posted by iamthehoyden View Post
According to some of the responses higher repair bills will "weed out the baddies" and make raiding more exclusive. So many people pulled from the womb as uber-gamers who were born knowing how to be awesomesauce and never wiped on anything. These gods walk among us. We should be grateful to bask in their shadow.

Pretty much that.

Except, of course, that grinding dailies on 6 50's every day doesn't make you "good"...