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A Summary of Increased Repair Cost Problems (for BW/EA)

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A Summary of Increased Repair Cost Problems (for BW/EA)
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Larity
02.16.2013 , 08:12 AM | #711
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Sorry, I don't believe that you're being truthful. I don't believe there are many raiding guilds that would keep someone with your attitude around long enough to gear up a main, let alone alts.
I am being truthful and you can't accept the fact that I can manage and adapt to the situation at hand.

For raiding, its obvious, its a Risk V Reward game. You make the risk to run something new and hard, and you get the reward for beating them with new gear and such.

There is no such thing as Risk V Challenge. Thats just stupid.

Also, yeah, people deal with me, infact, we even steal guild members from other guilds.

Why? Because we have common sense and we know how to do things.

We teach others how to play and what they need to pay attention to.

We show them how to max their dps while still having fun and screwing around.

We also have a guild bank with tons of credits and items and crafting mats to help people craft new things.

We supply our own mods too from what we get to new members.

You don't need to believe me, or what anyone says because you live in your own world where everything must be spoon fed to you.

We work to achieve what we have now, we learn things the hard ways and we pay the price. We've ran dailies, heroics, hard modes, story modes, and even nightmare. Why? For the challenge? HA NO. For the loot.

Key word, we worked. MMO is about grinding, not fun. You want fun? Go somewhere else

We don't whine, we laugh it off and yell at ramino for fun (his reactions are the best)

And btw, I am the Guild Leader, and my guildmates love me.

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Lent_San
02.16.2013 , 08:13 AM | #712
Quote: Originally Posted by Larity View Post
Thats just facts and common sense.
Well it's not and you not acknowledging it shows just how ignorant you are.

Keep reading what people write in this thread and pretend it's something else. Good for you, no-one can stop you doing that.

Does it help this discussion in any way? No.

And you're pretty alone in your negative stance on this, as is obvious.

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Lent_San
02.16.2013 , 08:15 AM | #713
Quote: Originally Posted by Larity View Post
You want fun? Go somewhere else
Well, people are doing that as we speak. I guess you appreciate it.

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antiheroxi
02.16.2013 , 08:26 AM | #714
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
There's nothing wrong with wanting a game to be fun. Not all game are only "fun". Some require "work". MMO's are among these. The very nature of an MMO is all about "work". No one should expect an MMO to be all "fun" and no "work". That's just not the way these games work. You can cry "It's just a game, I shouldn't have to work" all you want, but that does not change the fact that MMO's are all about work. Should we all get 50's upon creation because, after all, leveling is work and some people only play for the "fun" end game? Should we all get campaign or dread guard gear because getting that gear requires effort and "work"?

If all you want to do is the "fun" stuff, then there are plenty of other game genres out there that are just the "fun" stuff and do not require the "work" that MMO's require.

You can call me an elitist, but I consider myself a casual, with very limited play time. Recognizing that an MMO, by its very nature, requires "work" and being willing to put forth some effort in order to be able to enjoy the "fun" stuff does NOT make me an elitist.
No we are saying that we want the content to be enjoyable. i am not saying im not willing to put the time in to level or gear myself. That is two totally seperate issues. But is a mmo not massive multiplayer online... yet for 50 levels i do the work to level myself almost exclusively solo through tediously mind numbing activities at times (yes the cutscenes can be entertaining). Then once max level I finnaly get to where the multiplayer starts that i pay for by the nature of the game which is where the "fun" comes from (wz, raids, flashpoints) but in order to do half the multiplayer activities i pay for you are now forced back in to the tediously dull singleplayer aspect.

Thats not entitled i pay for a mmo to play with other players in a online world. i can "work" by grinding out dungeons over and over for my time to get my gear. but the multiplayer activities are what i pay for and want to do. so the work to grind out gear, dungeons, and wz's and work as a team, have fun on vent / guild chat, etc is where things should be in a mmo.

logging in to run boring dailies solo for 1.5 -2 hours a day just so i get one day of raids in instead of running fp's and wz's and then a day of raids is unacceptable. if i wanted the tedious single player grind dailies style quests i would be playing skyrim, fable or some other platform single player rpg.

hell eq1 hell levels grinding for days on end in one camp is more in line with what you pay for in a mmo because at the very least your grinding out in a multiplayer setting. instead of a single player setting where you might wave at a guy running next to you....

but yeah im ignorant and entitled i suppose that i want my massive multiplayer online rpg you be multiplayer for my time spent in. If i wanted a massive singleplayer online rpg then youre right grinding dailies every day is exactly what the games about and that work is needed.

single player time sinks in a multiplayer game does not = what a large chunk of the mmo community wants to pay for for endgame... or even bought into...

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antiheroxi
02.16.2013 , 08:31 AM | #715
Quote: Originally Posted by Larity View Post
I am being truthful and you can't accept the fact that I can manage and adapt to the situation at hand.

For raiding, its obvious, its a Risk V Reward game. You make the risk to run something new and hard, and you get the reward for beating them with new gear and such.

There is no such thing as Risk V Challenge. Thats just stupid.

Also, yeah, people deal with me, infact, we even steal guild members from other guilds.

Why? Because we have common sense and we know how to do things.

We teach others how to play and what they need to pay attention to.

We show them how to max their dps while still having fun and screwing around.

We also have a guild bank with tons of credits and items and crafting mats to help people craft new things.

We supply our own mods too from what we get to new members.

You don't need to believe me, or what anyone says because you live in your own world where everything must be spoon fed to you.

We work to achieve what we have now, we learn things the hard ways and we pay the price. We've ran dailies, heroics, hard modes, story modes, and even nightmare. Why? For the challenge? HA NO. For the loot.

Key word, we worked. MMO is about grinding, not fun. You want fun? Go somewhere else

We don't whine, we laugh it off and yell at ramino for fun (his reactions are the best)

And btw, I am the Guild Leader, and my guildmates love me.
i think you must be the most boring guild leader that ever existed if this is what you believe. Most of us that run fp's, ops, raids, whatever do it for the experience. yeah the loot along the way is whats nice but the team aspect, great conversations, that moment you're guildy decides to leroy jenkins and you survive, etc thats what we play for.

playing for the work to work after work is not the experience we pay for and desire or want (ie dailies every bloody day)

and i dont think we are asking to never ever have to do dailies but when the time spent in dailies equals or exceeds the time spent doing the fun content that we enjoy then its time for us to leave but if you want to pay to work so you can work somemore and thats what you enjoy then massive repairs, and massive time sinks keeping you stuck in tedious content is all yours...

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Larity
02.16.2013 , 08:33 AM | #716
Quote: Originally Posted by antiheroxi View Post
i think you must be the most boring guild leader that ever existed if this is what you believe. Most of us that run fp's, ops, raids, whatever do it for the experience. yeah the loot along the way is whats nice but the team aspect, great conversations, that moment you're guildy decides to leroy jenkins and you survive, etc thats what we play for.

playing for the work to work after work is not the experience we pay for and desire or want (ie dailies every bloody day)

and i dont think we are asking to never ever have to do dailies but when the time spent in dailies equals or exceeds the time spent doing the fun content that we enjoy then its time for us to leave but if you want to pay to work so you can work somemore and thats what you enjoy then massive repairs, and massive time sinks keeping you stuck in tedious content is all yours...
Tell me an mmo where you don't have to work for your gear and I will laugh and call you a liar unless you mean this game where it hands you 2 free sets of 50 armor (which I believe shouldn't happen because HMs and SM Ops can be done in greens)

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BaronV
02.16.2013 , 08:58 AM | #717
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
There's nothing wrong with wanting a game to be fun. Not all game are only "fun". Some require "work". MMO's are among these. The very nature of an MMO is all about "work". No one should expect an MMO to be all "fun" and no "work". That's just not the way these games work. You can cry "It's just a game, I shouldn't have to work" all you want, but that does not change the fact that MMO's are all about work. Should we all get 50's upon creation because, after all, leveling is work and some people only play for the "fun" end game? Should we all get campaign or dread guard gear because getting that gear requires effort and "work"?
A load of CRAP. The so called "work" you are refering to is leveling up. The process of leveling up in itself is fun because it comes with a story that you are playing through. And even the grindy bits themselves have targets & objectives to aspire to.

The "work" you are putting in has a real purpose that is a core part of the game (and most of the time it is fun - otherwise the game is a failure). There are rewards and a sense of achievement at the end.

Why do we do class quests? To progress through the story and level up which in turn gives us access to better gear and higher level quests. There is a clear line of progression that takes you somewhere and gives you something in return for your hard "work"

Im happy to grind dailies in order to have a target bank balance of 5 million credits because that is a target i set of my choosing. I set that target for whatever reason (i want to buy something fancy from the GTN/legacy, i want to send credits to my alt to make things quicker, or im simply scrooge mcduck). Having set the target I can work to that target and have a sense of achievement that my grindy work has accomplished something.

The sense of satisfaction of having accomplished the target (whether set by myself or as part of the game) is in fact FUN.

You yourself have admitted that grinding dailies is boring and repetitive. (especially when you are sufficiently geared that you dont even have to pay much attention).

being forced to grind (work) for credits (a boring and repititive act) in order to be able to afford the repairs after a FP or ops has absolutely no purpose/target/achievement by iteself. Am i supposed to feel good after a week of grinding that I can FINALLY afford to run a NM op without the fear of going bankrupt?

That to me is no different from going to the office everyday so that I can get my paycheck which is then used to pay for my house, car, food, etc.

A game is (or rather must be) 100% pure FUN & ENTERTAINMENT. Any and all effort/work involved in the game must be fun and entertaining. Otherwise the game has lost its' reason d'etre.
I used to be a Jedi like you - until I took a blaster bolt to the knee

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Larity
02.16.2013 , 09:01 AM | #718
Quote: Originally Posted by mothear View Post
Translated - I made something up to sound grandeous but when called out change the topic.
^^

If anyone reads the thread and been here from the beginning there is a lot of people pulling a red herring.

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Lent_San
02.16.2013 , 09:02 AM | #719
Quote: Originally Posted by mothear View Post
Translated - I made something up to sound grandeous but when called out change the topic.
Well, your translator is broken. I stand by what I said. Literally. Feel free to check. I now have a game to get back to, so I wish you the best finding fault in my assertion.

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Larity
02.16.2013 , 09:03 AM | #720
Quote: Originally Posted by Lent_San View Post
Well, your translator is broken. I stand by what I said. Literally. Feel free to check. I now have a game to get back to, so I wish you the best finding fault in my assertion.
The "Oh crap, I have been found out" escape.

By lent, see ya later when you try to weasel your way back in.