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End Game Sage DPS


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gtangtan
02.13.2013 , 09:38 AM | #1
I dpsed EC nightmare with my sage and noticed that I did about 70% of what I was doing with my gunslinger. They are both mostly BiS 63s. Granted I'm not used to DPSing on me sage as much as I am on my GS but this difference seems way too low and I was wondering if anyone can share their rotation/gear/dps numbers.

My sentinel pulls close to 1900 dps, GS pulls about 1800 dps and sage(both hybrid and full tk) pulls around 1500...
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bbare
02.13.2013 , 09:43 AM | #2
From my experience, sage/sorc will put out about 10% less damage than classes like the GS, Sent, and Vanguard. You are not experiencing anything different than most sages are experiencing. The huge difference is probably just from adjusting to the class right now. You would probably expect to reach about 1700 dps once you get the rotation down better.

One clarification: When you parsed, do you mean on the operations dummy or the operations fights themselves? Because your numbers would be kind of low for your level of gear on the dummy, but expected for the fights themselves.
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SoonerJBD
02.13.2013 , 12:53 PM | #3
It would also help to know what spec you are using. You probably aren't going to match the DPS of your gunslinger, but it shouldn't be 30 percent better than your Sage. More like 10 percent. If you are using TK, it is a very hard rotation to master, and your DPS can suffer quite a bit if you are making mistakes or missing procs. Balance is a little easier, but you are still not going to maximize your DPS until you are comfortable with the class. The hybrid is the easiest spec to maximize because there are so few abilities in the rotation and only one dot to track.

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gtangtan
02.14.2013 , 07:38 AM | #4
parsing on the operation dummy on my ship. i guess i should work on my rotation a bit more then although it seems like sage dps is gonna end up being low no matter what..
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SoonerJBD
02.14.2013 , 12:50 PM | #5
It is probably not going to end up as high as Sniper/Gunslinger would, but we also don't know how the upcoming level cap changes are going to affect it. And it shouldn't be 30 percent lower.

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Garell
02.14.2013 , 03:57 PM | #6
If you would like some help with Hybrid Dps then feel free to check out my guide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmIrJUu8NoE

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Marak
02.14.2013 , 06:03 PM | #7
One thing to keep in mind is that most gunslingers (sab/df or straight df) are primarily internal based dps. Sages are primarily kinetic based-- TK more so than Balance. So dummy parses in particular and any fight in which you don't have a sunder up nearly all the time will put you at a large disadvantage, but if you have sunder up all the time things start to even out a little bit.
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Ycoga
02.15.2013 , 05:36 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Marak View Post
One thing to keep in mind is that most gunslingers (sab/df or straight df) are primarily internal based dps. Sages are primarily kinetic based-- TK more so than Balance. So dummy parses in particular and any fight in which you don't have a sunder up nearly all the time will put you at a large disadvantage, but if you have sunder up all the time things start to even out a little bit.
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Marak
02.15.2013 , 09:07 AM | #9
A quick TK sage parse I uploaded
Total unstimmed/no adrenal or relic DPS: 1307.61
Damage breakdown by damage type:
64.35% kinetic
35.39% internal
0.27% energy

Compared to a quick sab/df gunslinger parse.
Total unstimmed/no adrenal or relic DPS: 1655.26
Damage breakdown by damage type:
47.85% internal
44.04% energy
8.11% kinetic

Plus the gunslinger is offsetting 20% of all that mitigated energy/kinetic damage with bringing their own sunder.

Add 20% to the kinetic damage of my sage parse and you gain ~168 dps--changing the DPS of the parse to ~1475. There would be no change to the 1655 dps of the gunslinger parse (due to already having sunder). And considering my gunslinger is in mostly 61s with a few 63s to my sage being in unoptimized rakata with some black hole that's a fairly comparable figure.

Addendum: for posterity-- a quick Balance sage parse
DPS: 1372.94
62.69% kinetic
37.31% internal

+20% to kinetic = +172.02
Adjusted for sunder total: 1544.96 DPS

Final edit: I feel I should add that while these numbers seem low compared to everyone posting 1800+ parses all over every class subforum, they are so purposefully as I reduced all factors down to a level playing field. No stims, no adrenals, no on-use relics, no /stucking to finish the parse early. This was a fairly controlled experiment, barring the slight difference in parse times. The purpose being to point out the importance of sunder more so than comparing the two classes directly in maximum DPS potential as I can't rightly do that being the sizable gear difference between my alts.
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Elyxin
02.20.2013 , 03:09 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Marak View Post
A quick TK sage parse I uploaded
Total unstimmed/no adrenal or relic DPS: 1307.61
Damage breakdown by damage type:
64.35% kinetic
35.39% internal
0.27% energy

Compared to a quick sab/df gunslinger parse.
Total unstimmed/no adrenal or relic DPS: 1655.26
Damage breakdown by damage type:
47.85% internal
44.04% energy
8.11% kinetic

Plus the gunslinger is offsetting 20% of all that mitigated energy/kinetic damage with bringing their own sunder.

Add 20% to the kinetic damage of my sage parse and you gain ~168 dps--changing the DPS of the parse to ~1475. There would be no change to the 1655 dps of the gunslinger parse (due to already having sunder). And considering my gunslinger is in mostly 61s with a few 63s to my sage being in unoptimized rakata with some black hole that's a fairly comparable figure.

Addendum: for posterity-- a quick Balance sage parse
DPS: 1372.94
62.69% kinetic
37.31% internal

+20% to kinetic = +172.02
Adjusted for sunder total: 1544.96 DPS

Final edit: I feel I should add that while these numbers seem low compared to everyone posting 1800+ parses all over every class subforum, they are so purposefully as I reduced all factors down to a level playing field. No stims, no adrenals, no on-use relics, no /stucking to finish the parse early. This was a fairly controlled experiment, barring the slight difference in parse times. The purpose being to point out the importance of sunder more so than comparing the two classes directly in maximum DPS potential as I can't rightly do that being the sizable gear difference between my alts.
Great numbers! thanks Marak I Like numbers like this...it really puts things into perspective, and shows pretty much what we all know. Sage DPS won't be the level of a pure DPS class, but they do enough that no RL should be kicking them unless they are just ignorant or compensating for the rest of the raid being bad.