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A Summary of Increased Repair Cost Problems (for BW/EA)

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A Summary of Increased Repair Cost Problems (for BW/EA)
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Arlbo_Nabbins
02.15.2013 , 07:09 AM | #411
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Tell me... why do you think the in some cases 10-fold increase in repair costs is GOOD for the game?
Why do you think a 90% discount on repair costs for some players based just on the costume they are wearing is GOOD for the game?

I have not noticed much of a change in my repair bills, that is because my tank has a mix of Rakata/BH gear with the BH mods in all of them.

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Asavar
02.15.2013 , 07:19 AM | #412
Quote: Originally Posted by Larity View Post
As the leader of my guild

I say, run dailies, open a guild bank, deposit credits, help guild out.

But then again, I trust my guild

and a few thousand more credits isn't hurting my wallet.


Does no one realize this was a bug that has now been fixed?
Who cares if it was a bug? It just means it took longer for this issue to come to light. You really think if this "bug" didn't happen and these costs appeared however long ago it was supposed to, people wouldn't have an issue with it?
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DarthTHC
02.15.2013 , 07:48 AM | #413
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlbo_Nabbins View Post
Why do you think a 90% discount on repair costs for some players based just on the costume they are wearing is GOOD for the game?

I have not noticed much of a change in my repair bills, that is because my tank has a mix of Rakata/BH gear with the BH mods in all of them.
You still didn't answer my question. I have an answer for yours and I'll give it as soon as you answer mine.
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DarthTHC
02.15.2013 , 07:50 AM | #414
Quote: Originally Posted by Saitada View Post
I just did my Dailies for my BH geared Commando. This does not include Heroics as I usually skip them unless I am helping someone else.

I started with my armor of both myself and my companion at 100% and with 31812 credits on this character. I didn't do any repairs until I finished the last quest on Belsavis and did my turn ins.

Ilum = 5 quests
Elapsed time from landing on Ilum to leaving it for The Black Hole = 27 minutes
Left with 91,298 credits

The Black Hole = 5 quests
Elapsed time from landing to leaving for Belsavis = 14 minutes
left with 136,468 credits

Belsavis regular dailies = 8 quests (yes I know there is another, I usually skip it as it's out of my fast tack path)
Elapsed time from landing to repairing my armor after everything was done = 37 minutes.
left with 222,775 after repairs.
Total cost of repairs: $5,182 credits.
profit: $190,963

Total elapsed time for all quests including travel to each planet as well as speeder travel time = 87 minutes from starting my dailies to finishing them.

Mind you, this was NOT doing what I normally do, which is kill everything that moves and loot every chest I see (I skipped all the chests and didn't scavenge any droids, which I normally nab and do). I kill only what I had to to complete the primary objective and get out to head to the next quest.

Again, this is a BH geared DPS Commando that tanks all the damage myself.

I used to pay about 1500-2000 total in repairs after all was said and done and usually it takes me a tad over 120 minutes simply because I farm as I go as well. I don't see the current increase at least for what I am doing, as exorbitant. Nor the time to make credits as difficult to accomplish or do as some of you are making it out to be.


So basically you're saying that, aside from paying $15 a month to play the game as all the raiders do, they should also be required to grind 90 minutes worth of dailies per operation they have on farm and a large multiple of that 90 minutes when they want to progress?

Yeah, that's fun worth paying for!
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Xanzito
02.15.2013 , 08:03 AM | #415
Basically, Bioware should just understand that raiding is the reason this game still has subs. . You mess with raiding, you kiss buh-bye to the rest of them. I don't know anyone playing this game for dailies

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Ratajack
02.15.2013 , 08:34 AM | #416
Quote: Originally Posted by Hyfy View Post
While I understand and somewhat agree with your sentiment I think there couldve been a better way to go about it. There are all sorts of money sinks people have been asking for for some time now. Some more I've seen pop up more recently. Pazzak games that can be bet on, speeder racing that can be bet on, hell one that I really liked was a section set up in the fleets where people could watch random huttball games on screens and bet on them. There have been a bunch of ideas (some good some not so much) floated out there that I find it impossible to believe that the devs saw.no other way to go about this. For the record I'm not opposed to evening out the repair costs between people in the standard end game affair and those with oranges with end game mods but the price should not be quite where its at now either.
As someone pointed out earlier, repair costs is a credit sink that affects everyone. None of the "suggested" alternative ones do. Some may choose not to buy that new speeder, play pazzak or bet on hutball. If they implement gambling into the game, how would that qualify as a credit sink? While some credits would be lost, there would still be credits created and added to the economy.

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DarthSylar
02.15.2013 , 08:38 AM | #417
some people really just complain about anything. repair cost were nothing. You could repair from red and it would cost you about 30k with BH Mods in lower tier gear. And since it takes several wipes to end up in the red, who cares if it cost 60k or so? Don't you get that much in credits after like 2 mins in TFB? Not sure about EC, but TFB drops a ton of creds.

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DarthTHC
02.15.2013 , 08:39 AM | #418
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
As someone pointed out earlier, repair costs is a credit sink that affects everyone. None of the "suggested" alternative ones do. Some may choose not to buy that new speeder, play pazzak or bet on hutball. If they implement gambling into the game, how would that qualify as a credit sink? While some credits would be lost, there would still be credits created and added to the economy.
Repair costs are still largely controllable by the player, it's just a bit less direct than not buying a speeder.

For example, because of the repair costs I've stopped doing flash points and I'm sticking to questing content that I significantly outlevel. Yes, I'm still incurring repair costs but because I'm also using my tank pet and he's in green gear, they're about the same as they were before the patch.

Similarly, you see posts that entire raiding teams (8 at a time) are quitting the game. Yes, that effectively takes whatever credits they have on them out of the economy, but it also removes all their subscriptions as revenue (raiders are all certainly subscribers) and it removes them as players with whom other players could have interacted in all the ways we interact in MMOs.

When you look at it that way, how effective is the repair cost "fix" at making the game BETTER?

Wouldn't it be more effective to bring back million credit crystals and add some million credit speeders and outfits that some people will buy, but wouldn't alienate most of the people who are paying subscriptions and participating in the community?
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Hyfy
02.15.2013 , 08:47 AM | #419
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
As someone pointed out earlier, repair costs is a credit sink that affects everyone. None of the "suggested" alternative ones do. Some may choose not to buy that new speeder, play pazzak or bet on hutball. If they implement gambling into the game, how would that qualify as a credit sink? While some credits would be lost, there would still be credits created and added to the economy.
You seem to be under the impression I'm saying to get rid of repair costs when I'm not. I don't hold issue with having repair costs but instead or raising them to the level they are now is not the right way to go about creating more of a money sink. The fact is though if you give people more ways to burn their money and they will get used, and used voluntarily. And with that will come the balancing out of the in game.economy. Hell there are casinos on Nar Shaddaa, make them functional and you'll see people pissing away money faster than BW can shake a stick at. The point is there are other ways to go about achieving the same goal, that don't so negatively impact the player base and potentially BW's bottom line with subs. They need to be smarter with their decisions than this.
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DarthTHC
02.15.2013 , 08:49 AM | #420
Quote: Originally Posted by Hyfy View Post
You seem to be under the impression I'm saying to get rid of repair costs when I'm not. I don't hold issue with having repair costs but instead or raising them to the level they are now is not the right way to go about creating more of a money sink. The fact is though if you give people more ways to burn their money and they will get used, and used voluntarily. And with that will come the balancing out of the in game.economy. Hell there are casinos on Nar Shaddaa, make them functional and you'll see people pissing away money faster than BW can shake a stick at. The point is there are other ways to go about achieving the same goal, that don't so negatively impact the player base and potentially BW's bottom line with subs. They need to be smarter with their decisions than this.
This.

We've seen how utterly foolish people are about spending IRL money on the cartel gambling packs. It is unimaginable that they wouldn't send themselves broke in two shakes of a Bantha's tail if they were able to gamble with ingame credits.
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