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Day 139 (4 Months 17 Days) of Bubble Stun & Smash

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Day 139 (4 Months 17 Days) of Bubble Stun & Smash

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Minack
02.13.2013 , 08:06 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by WaywardOne View Post
The only case you're making is that you're very inexperienced. It's true, if 4 ppl target you you will die. Welcome to pvp. I really don't understand your problem at all. Have you played a wz with 4 positioned snipers? How about 4 sins? Or 4 sorcs? 4 pyros? Any team of dps working together is going to kill you. Your only way out is to quit or hide in a corner (or, hey, outplay them). And no, a smash team is not going to beat a team of spread-out snipers or pyros or sorcs or hiding sins. It will kill the one where they sit on top of each other.

If you haven't seen smash teams lose and lose badly then you need to pvp more. Also, if you haven't been in wzs without any smashers or with just 1 or 2 you also need to pvp more. If anything there are less knight-warriors pvping now on JM or POT5 than before 1.4.
Yeah, I have to disagree on that. Maybe on JM, since I don't play there, but POT5 has a ton of warriors at 50 and scores more at lower levels playing Rage spec. And since when has anyone honestly brought a "team of" anything to a WZ and expected to win? Any overstacked group is destined to fail. You only need two competent smashers to make life miserable for the other team. One is enough to shut down a medic, two is just gravy. Rateds are a different story, but they always have been.

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POPsi
02.13.2013 , 08:11 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by WaywardOne View Post
The only case you're making is that you're very inexperienced. It's true, if 4 ppl target you you will die. Welcome to pvp. I really don't understand your problem at all. Have you played a wz with 4 positioned snipers? How about 4 sins? Or 4 sorcs? 4 pyros? Any team of dps working together is going to kill you. Your only way out is to quit or hide in a corner (or, hey, outplay them). And no, a smash team is not going to beat a team of spread-out snipers or pyros or sorcs or hiding sins. It will kill the one where they sit on top of each other.

If you haven't seen smash teams lose and lose badly then you need to pvp more. Also, if you haven't been in wzs without any smashers or with just 1 or 2 you also need to pvp more. If anything there are less knight-warriors pvping now on JM or POT5 than before 1.4.
You don't understand what I'm saying... it's not about 4 people targeting me, it's about 4 people targeting whoever they want and I'm still getting hit by the aoe. Yeah, easy to say that kite and los and whatever... well good luck losing them at the pylon in hypergates, or at the voistar doors, etc. Sometimes you gotta take it, and when there are 3-4 smashers within a 10 meter radius it's going to hurt. Btw, I love when people make assumptions when their viewpoint is different from someone else. Yeah, obviously I got to be a noob because I commented in a thread about groups of smashers being ridiculously OP in certain setups. Also, where the hell did you get that

a: I haven't seen smashers lose?
b: haven't been in WZs where no smashers were present?

I'm not even going to respond to the part where you say there are less smashers, it's just not true.

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MisanthropicJedi
02.13.2013 , 09:19 AM | #53
I have to wait for another patch until I can enjoy playing my Marauder or Assassin again? So that, what, we could have an Ilum redux and a reputation grind?

I'm going to go level a panda.

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WaywardOne
02.13.2013 , 09:22 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Minack View Post
Yeah, I have to disagree on that. Maybe on JM, since I don't play there, but POT5 has a ton of warriors at 50 and scores more at lower levels playing Rage spec. And since when has anyone honestly brought a "team of" anything to a WZ and expected to win? Any overstacked group is destined to fail. You only need two competent smashers to make life miserable for the other team. One is enough to shut down a medic, two is just gravy. Rateds are a different story, but they always have been.
Before 1.4 sent was the #1 class at 50 by a significant percentage. Now the #1 is sage and there are more shadows than there used to be. I don't log my checks but I often do /who snapshots. If anything, imp side has even more sorc/sins. I'll check again tonight...

Overstacking sins in huttball works very well. Also, stacking decent sorcs works very well against knight/warr-heavy teams.
2 good bis smashers with heals and guards is a very dangerous team, much moreso than the dreaded 6 smasher team, but that's not a valid argument that smashers are op'd.

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Never_Hesitate
02.13.2013 , 09:30 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by revcrisis View Post
Today, 1.7 was released. Class changes? None. I was really looking forward to a more skilled & competitive PVP gameplay, plus fresh compositions for ranked warzones, instead of relying on a bubble stun and smash warriors to fill the group. Enjoy day 139 of endless non-resolve filling bubble chain stuns. The end is nowhere near.

Oh, technohic, very easy 15 second calculation: http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dura...&d2=12&y2=2013
You didn't take a look at the data mined stuff, did you?

If they push the full corruption sorc to a state where he is useful in pvp, we will automaticaly let go of stunbubble, but if they removed stunbubble now and didn't give us a huge push in burst healing and survivability (which can come from burst healing imo) we would just be moving targets again with no use other than to recieve huge crits and run from respawn to get killed again (the team would basicly play with 7 players)
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NoFishing
02.13.2013 , 09:42 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by GregSJ View Post
A note for all the anti "Smash" people.

For Smash to deliver it's max damage at maximum effect, you first need to have the correct skills set, and then hit three attacks -charge, or choke, then obliterate, and many times battering assault, before punching in Smash. This needs to be done in near perfect sync to charge up your buffs and bonuses, and then of course be executed in a group of opponents for it to do it's max damage. It's not just a one step attack that is ripped off instantly.
Lol. How can anyone be this bad at playing smash? Frenzy + Berserk as you run into the fight. You have your 4 stacks. Then leap to a group for the crit buff, and smash them. If they didn't instantly stun or knock you back when you lept in, you have hit them for 6-7k. Juggs have it even easier, only having to hit ONE button as they run in to setup their stacks, rather that those poor complicated maras that have to hit TWO!!

At least both have a harder time to build up for the next smash. Slow or choke someone, build up some rage, and leap again. That is one terribly complicated rotation there.

Quote: Originally Posted by GregSJ View Post
Don't get me wrong when executed perfectly Smash is a frickin beast and can whip upwards of 4-5k damage per opponent. -sometimes more.
If you are not regularly getting 6-7K damage out of your smashes, your gear must suck.

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Never_Hesitate
02.13.2013 , 09:49 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by NoFishing View Post
Juggs have it even easier, only having to hit ONE button as they run in to setup their stacks, rather that those poor complicated maras that have to hit TWO!!

At least both have a harder time to build up for the next smash. Slow or choke someone, build up some rage, and leap again. That is one terribly complicated rotation there.
I like to spec smash for wz's when I'm:
-drunk
-tired
-otherwise nearly braindead
-or all of the above

smash is so easy to play, that it bores me. I started to spec vengance when I want to dps and pick on the heals or sorcs/sages
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Ghost_Spectre
02.13.2013 , 10:14 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Never_Hesitate View Post
You didn't take a look at the data mined stuff, did you?
Can you provide a link to where this specific information is located at?
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Never_Hesitate
02.13.2013 , 10:16 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghost_Spectre View Post
Can you provide a link to where this specific information is located at?
I will not provide a link (the guy who published the whole thing on the forum got a permaban as far as I know, so I'm not going to risk that), but if you google it you will find it pretty fast
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JP_Legatus
02.13.2013 , 10:43 AM | #60
139? I thought smash was released in like the august patch, it's february.
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