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Dealing with Ninjaloot in FP PuG's?

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Dealing with Ninjaloot in FP PuG's?

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DarthTHC
02.11.2013 , 11:42 AM | #31
I care very little about the drops that aren't already BOP.

People aren't needing to GTN stuff. They're needing to be rude.

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Themanthatisi
02.11.2013 , 11:47 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by justiceface View Post
The system doesn't discourage group play, you just don't understand the system. Needing on a drop you don't need is poor behavior and you become the reason people complain about groups. As I and other people have mentioned, if we saw you do this you would be blocked and our guild members would be told to avoid you because you need on drops that you don't need or drops that should be fair game(greed option).
Yes, it does DISCOURAGE group play, the drops are too limited... has nothign to do with need/greed. NOTHING at all, its about the drops..... Not enough of them will lead to these posts weekly and why people do the need instead of greed.

If we can do Heroic 4's and get the drops for ourself, then thats what we do.... To use, we are discouraged by the lack of drops to want to share them. So the solution, avoid grouping for leveling up.

My 2 references, the only 2 I have made to using GREED was 2 PUG's for a WB..... Where have I posted anyting on small groups or guild play? I am talking about a situation where the WB drop is much lower then the people in it anyway.... and tryign to figure out who will use need/greed properly will again, cause these posts to surface.

go ahead, make thousands of people use the system as it "should" be used and you will continue to find ones who will not....

So if you and your neighbor buys a lottery ticket at the same time and he wins big, will you cry about it being unfair? Why, because he picked his right before you did? LIFE is not fair but you work within it to make sure you can live and be happy... the game itself, has an unfair loot distribution, just like NOT everyone can have a winning lottery ticket... make due!

I think the children are the ones complaining.... I am 44, she is 43... we life live by ITS rules and laws, not our own.

You sound like the people that vote for a socialist president because ITS NOT FAIR others make more money and have nicer cars. That you deserve other people earnings.... Do you? I rather live in a capitolist system, where we earn and keep our money and if I choose to DONATE, I will DONATE. I thnk it would be better if the only options was pass/need, remove the greed option.... like lottery, you win or you do not or you do not play, simple....

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Icestar
02.11.2013 , 11:53 AM | #33
The Flashpoints, Operations, and Heroic Missions part of this forum has alot of constructive feedback that is very valuable for Bioware regarding how to handle ninjalooting, and many good constructive suggestions for improved lootsystems.

I sincerely hope they read it because it contains exactly the feedback they have been asking for.

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justiceface
02.11.2013 , 11:55 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Themanthatisi View Post
Yes, it does DISCOURAGE group play, the drops are too limited... has nothign to do with need/greed. NOTHING at all, its about the drops..... Not enough of them will lead to these posts weekly and why people do the need instead of greed.

If we can do Heroic 4's and get the drops for ourself, then thats what we do.... To use, we are discouraged by the lack of drops to want to share them. So the solution, avoid grouping for leveling up.
It discourages YOU from group play. The rest of us are fine with grouping for heroics/FPs and not grabbing loot we don't need. Also these posts aren't about "wahhh I can't get drops" they're complaining about people taking things they dont need which actually does discourage people from group play.

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siikriken
02.11.2013 , 12:01 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Themanthatisi View Post
Yes, it does DISCOURAGE group play, the drops are too limited... has nothign to do with need/greed. NOTHING at all, its about the drops..... Not enough of them will lead to these posts weekly and why people do the need instead of greed.

If we can do Heroic 4's and get the drops for ourself, then thats what we do.... To use, we are discouraged by the lack of drops to want to share them. So the solution, avoid grouping for leveling up.

My 2 references, the only 2 I have made to using GREED was 2 PUG's for a WB..... Where have I posted anyting on small groups or guild play? I am talking about a situation where the WB drop is much lower then the people in it anyway.... and tryign to figure out who will use need/greed properly will again, cause these posts to surface.

go ahead, make thousands of people use the system as it "should" be used and you will continue to find ones who will not....

So if you and your neighbor buys a lottery ticket at the same time and he wins big, will you cry about it being unfair? Why, because he picked his right before you did? LIFE is not fair but you work within it to make sure you can live and be happy... the game itself, has an unfair loot distribution, just like NOT everyone can have a winning lottery ticket... make due!

I think the children are the ones complaining.... I am 44, she is 43... we life live by ITS rules and laws, not our own.

You sound like the people that vote for a socialist president because ITS NOT FAIR others make more money and have nicer cars. That you deserve other people earnings.... Do you?

I thnk it would be better if the only options was pass/need, remove the greed option.... like lottery, you win or you do not or you do not play, simple....
"Wahh it's not fair that other people get loot that they need and I get nothing! so i'll just be a ninja and need on everything so i can sell it on the gtn because its orange and I want orange gear because its only fair!"

I like how you're talking about socialism but you're the one crying about fairness and want free handouts for doing flashpoints and heroics

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Themanthatisi
02.11.2013 , 12:12 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by siikriken View Post
"Wahh it's not fair that other people get loot that they need and I get nothing! so i'll just be a ninja and need on everything so i can sell it on the gtn because its orange and I want orange gear because its only fair!"

I like how you're talking about socialism but you're the one crying about fairness and want free handouts for doing flashpoints and heroics
WRONG! By choosing NEED you get your fair shot.... you lose, you move on. The Fairness was having a chance to get it.....
thats was IMO, fair enough. But since the drops are limited, avoiding group play has become very desirable... Like if my boss says, we can hire another person for your team, but you have to take a loss of pay.... Guess what, I rather keep my pay and NOT have the help.

You mised the point completely..... The big fish eats the little fish, this is life my friend.

When talking about a world boss and 6 of 8 got nothing for their effort, thats like going to work for no pay too.... but in dog eat dog system, the one in the game, the strongest one, or in this case, the one that has MORE LUCK is who wins.

So, if someone offered you work but they can only afford to pay 2 of you, but there is 8 of you, do you take the job?

Yep, avoid grouping until the boss has the money to pay is NOT socialism and fairness in any system is getting paid for work you did, you take that way and guess what folks.... YOU GET THEFT!!!

The game system is broken.... period! If based on real life, all employess should get paid for the same work, pay may not be equal, but thats ok... Not every orange drops sells for the same on GTN.

Socialism, would not being part of the mission at all and still expecting somethign... the people in the 8 person OPS all put in effort, they should all get paid.. no one said FREE for anything... socialiest want soemthign for nothing.

In saying that, I still see the point as valid for both side, in this game.... Why, because the system has a boss that cant pay for all the workers. So people are crying about theft (ninja's).... Yes, they ALSO have a valid point.

So, would you go to work hoping to get paid?

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justiceface
02.11.2013 , 12:29 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Themanthatisi View Post
Yes, it does DISCOURAGE group play, the drops are too limited... has nothign to do with need/greed. NOTHING at all, its about the drops..... Not enough of them will lead to these posts weekly and why people do the need instead of greed.

If we can do Heroic 4's and get the drops for ourself, then thats what we do.... To use, we are discouraged by the lack of drops to want to share them. So the solution, avoid grouping for leveling up.

My 2 references, the only 2 I have made to using GREED was 2 PUG's for a WB..... Where have I posted anyting on small groups or guild play? I am talking about a situation where the WB drop is much lower then the people in it anyway.... and tryign to figure out who will use need/greed properly will again, cause these posts to surface.

go ahead, make thousands of people use the system as it "should" be used and you will continue to find ones who will not....

So if you and your neighbor buys a lottery ticket at the same time and he wins big, will you cry about it being unfair? Why, because he picked his right before you did? LIFE is not fair but you work within it to make sure you can live and be happy... the game itself, has an unfair loot distribution, just like NOT everyone can have a winning lottery ticket... make due!

I think the children are the ones complaining.... I am 44, she is 43... we life live by ITS rules and laws, not our own.

You sound like the people that vote for a socialist president because ITS NOT FAIR others make more money and have nicer cars. That you deserve other people earnings.... Do you? I rather live in a capitolist system, where we earn and keep our money and if I choose to DONATE, I will DONATE. I thnk it would be better if the only options was pass/need, remove the greed option.... like lottery, you win or you do not or you do not play, simple....
Who said I deserve anything? Who said anyone does? Reread your own posts you're the one saying "the system isn't fair so it's ok for me to be an ******e".

And please shut up about socialism if you don't actually understand the system, which judging from your posts about the loot system is probably another in long list of systems you don't understand.

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siikriken
02.11.2013 , 12:30 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Themanthatisi View Post
WRONG! By choosing NEED you get your fair shot.... you lose, you move on. The Fairness was having a chance to get it.....
thats was IMO, fair enough. But since the drops are limited, avoiding group play has become very desirable... Like if my boss says, we can hire another person for your team, but you have to take a loss of pay.... Guess what, I rather keep my pay and NOT have the help.

You mised the point completely..... The big fish eats the little fish, this is life my friend.

When talking about a world boss and 6 of 8 got nothing for their effort, thats like going to work for no pay too.... but in dog eat dog system, the one in the game, the strongest one, or in this case, the one that has MORE LUCK is who wins.

So, if someone offered you work but they can only afford to pay 2 of you, but there is 8 of you, do you take the job?

Yep, avoid grouping until the boss has the money to pay is NOT socialism and fairness in any system is getting paid for work you did, you take that way and guess what folks.... YOU GET THEFT!!!

The game system is broken.... period! If based on real life, all employess should get paid for the same work, pay may not be equal, but thats ok... Not every orange drops sells for the same on GTN.
People do World Bosses and FP's / Heroics mostly for Experience though. If you haven't noticed you can go like 5 levels without upgrading any gear and still be fine, so in fact you're just being greedy. You get massively more XP from doing the FP's and group quests so that in itself is a bonus, so you're not losing anything you're still gaining much more than you would if you played alone.

Part of playing with other people is learning to share. I know you're old but can you remember when your mother told you to share your army men with the neighbor boy? Since you can't do that you should obviously just continue to play with your wife in solitude.

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justiceface
02.11.2013 , 12:32 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Themanthatisi View Post
WRONG! By choosing NEED you get your fair shot.... you lose, you move on. The Fairness was having a chance to get it.....
thats was IMO, fair enough. But since the drops are limited, avoiding group play has become very desirable... Like if my boss says, we can hire another person for your team, but you have to take a loss of pay.... Guess what, I rather keep my pay and NOT have the help.

You mised the point completely..... The big fish eats the little fish, this is life my friend.

When talking about a world boss and 6 of 8 got nothing for their effort, thats like going to work for no pay too.... but in dog eat dog system, the one in the game, the strongest one, or in this case, the one that has MORE LUCK is who wins.

So, if someone offered you work but they can only afford to pay 2 of you, but there is 8 of you, do you take the job?

Yep, avoid grouping until the boss has the money to pay is NOT socialism and fairness in any system is getting paid for work you did, you take that way and guess what folks.... YOU GET THEFT!!!

The game system is broken.... period! If based on real life, all employess should get paid for the same work, pay may not be equal, but thats ok... Not every orange drops sells for the same on GTN.
You should definitely compare playing video games to work because it makes a ton of sense.

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Themanthatisi
02.11.2013 , 12:35 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by justiceface View Post
Who said I deserve anything? Who said anyone does? Reread your own posts you're the one saying "the system isn't fair so it's ok for me to be an ******e".

And please shut up about socialism if you don't actually understand the system, which judging from your posts about the loot system is probably another in long list of systems you don't understand.
If you did a better job of understanding why I write then this would not be the case.... I very much understand the system and the system has a boss that lacks funds to pay up....So we get ninja's and we complain....

You are not going to change the midset of people, but you can make laws... since this topic comes up often, maybe its time fro a change in the system. Until that happens you will get this problem.... it will NOT go away.