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Who was Justified in the Star Wars Movies?

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Who was Justified in the Star Wars Movies?

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12.20.2011 , 08:06 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by JediArchives View Post
Again, you are ignoring the fact that Obi-Wan heard the plans of the C.I.S. leadership., which was to attack the Republic and overwhelm the Jedi, forcing the Senate to agree to any demands they make. Why is this not getting through?

Those 3 weren't the reason for the war. War was inevitable, because it's what Dooku and Sidious wanted. Obi-Wan reported this to the Council, the C.I.S. had no intentions of doing anything but attacking the Republic. This is why they gathered the Jedi to save Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Padme : War was inevitable, the C.I.S. was building a huge army for that purpose alone, the Jedi would save those 3 and buy time for the Clone Army to show up.

If you know an enemy is preparing for a massive attack, and you have the chance to strike first (while saving 3 incredibly important figures in galactic affairs), you're going to take it.

The Trade Federation provided most of the droids we see in Episode 2 (minus the Super Battle Droids). The Federation was banned from producing a droid army after Naboo. It was illegal.

Heh, you missed the entire backstory for Episode 2 I guess. The Republic tried negotiations for years, as soon as the C.I.S. was formed and announced their intentions to leave the Republic. But guess who the leader of the Republic was? A Sith Lord! Kind of, you know, manipulating events to push the galaxy into war.

It's been a while since I've seen the movies, so forgive me if I am forgetting some stuff like Republic negotiations with the CIS.

I know Obi-Wan directly overheard their plans for war and told the Council, but I don't think one man's word is sufficient charges along with one assassination attempt to go to war. If you are arguing from the strategic position, they made the right choice, but I still have doubts about the moral justifications; you even admit yourself that the Republic was led by a Sith Lord into this war whom you have argued are stirring up fights quite often. I'm not quite saying that the Jedi are at fault, but the Senate's actions are my concern.

Going back to the Trade Federation army, if their droid soldiers did not operate or were manufactured in systems belonging to the Republic I still think they had every right to build that army according to the measures of the governing powers of the CIS. The Republic should have warned them to cancel the construction of this army and begun to make war plans accordingly. On the other hand, building large armies is usually a problem for other nations such as in post WW1 Germany.

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12.20.2011 , 08:10 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Kholvan View Post

Unless there's a Republic law against Sithery, the Jedi had no grounds to arrest Palpatine - Mace certainly had no grounds to threaten to assassinate him. As a sworn Jedi, Anakin was bound by oath to protect the Republic, and Palps was the legitimately elected leader of the Republic. In a sense, Anakin would have been violating his oath if he didn't attack Mace..
(Well ignoring the fact that Anakin knew he was the Chosen One that was meant to destroy the Sith...and Palpatine was bent on changing the Republic and doing away with it's practices...)

They had a witness who happened to be Palpatine's most trusted and close friend. Not to mention the Republic outlawed the practice of being a Sith after the Ruusaan Reformations, 1,000 years before the movie and the last time the Sith had openly declared themselves.

As a Jedi, Anakin is sworn to uphold the ideals of the Republic, and the Will of the Force. Jedi do not serve one man, or solely the elected leader of the Republic, that's asinine. When Palpatine revealed to Anakin that he was the Dark Lord responsible for the war, the one controlling the C.I.S. (hightreason anyone?), the Jedi had all the justification they needed. Of course, they played right into Palpatine's hands (everything in the PT does). But don't forget the Jedi came to arrest Palpatine and put him on trial. Mace didn't decide to end his life until Palpatine resisted arrest, proved Anakin's testimony to be correct, and then went on to attack and murder 3 Jedi High Council members.

But yeah, Anakin totally was serving the Republic...which was soon after transformed into an Empire that embodied the opposite of what the Republic stood for.
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