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9 weeks would be Tuesday - 1.7?

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9 weeks would be Tuesday - 1.7?

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Urael
02.07.2013 , 03:08 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by AlienEyeTX View Post
I made no mention of the path of the game. We're discussing delays and communication. Nothing more.
Understood. Sorry, was knee jerk reaction due to fighting off the white nights.

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AlienEyeTX
02.07.2013 , 03:11 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
Understood. Sorry, was knee jerk reaction due to fighting off the white nights.
No worries. It's amusing how seriously we're all taking this discussion.
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Urael
02.07.2013 , 03:13 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by AlienEyeTX View Post
No worries. It's amusing how seriously we're all taking this discussion.
Slow work day.

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02.07.2013 , 03:17 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by MiaRB View Post
that may be true for you personally, but it isnt true overall. the more info any game ( even single player games ) release early, the more negative threads/posts/twitter garbage/rage rants on youtube.
It is most certainly true here, it's even been tested and proven true with this game. Back when 1.2 was about to release, the BIG FEATURE was RANKED WARZONES!!! People re-subbed for it - it was even advertised when they did that sort of thing.

Guess what happened?!

About 8 hours before 1.2 went live, Bioware pulled them from the release. Know what the reaction was? Overwhelming acceptance! Players understood. The MAIN feature of 1.2 was pulled at the very last second...and players defended Bioware for the courage to pull it. That whole first week, players defended Bioware. The 2nd week, players defended Bioware...without a peep out of them. This continued for a month, with most people still defending Bioware and them not saying a word.

Eventually, their inability to post any follow-up on the subject drew peoples ire...but this one single post, bought them 2 weeks of good will, on something fairly major.

Communication DOES work! It's worked here in the past, it would work here in the future.
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Urael
02.07.2013 , 03:22 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Eventually, their inability to post any follow-up on the subject drew peoples ire...but this one single post, bought them 2 weeks of good will, on something fairly major.

Communication DOES work! It's worked here in the past, it would work here in the future.
TUXs ... there ya go again ... confusing people with facts. For shame sir. For shame.

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02.07.2013 , 03:22 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
You don't have a "right" to anything. You might feel like you do, but you don't. The only "right" you have is access to the stated product (aka your license).

Throwing around terms like "right" only cheapens the term. You have a right to freedom of speech and press. That is a right.

As a paying a consumer you don't have a right to anything except game access (aka a license).

Stop using that term.
Right. As I said, "I simply feel that I, as the customer, have a right to know when they deviate from their "goals" and the deadlines THEY have set.".

Feel free to disagree, but do not tell me what words I can use.
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GavinPatterson
02.07.2013 , 03:24 PM | #87
I don't really care about 1.7. The rep system will be nothing more than a grind , and truly i don't care about the voss or the gree. If my sith had his way everyone on those planets would be wiped out.
I want something that will make this game stand apart from others. Rep systems is something seen in wow, sto, lorto and honesty i don't see anyone playing those games just to become a hero among a certain group of people.
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Arkerus
02.07.2013 , 03:38 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Right. As I said, "I simply feel that I, as the customer, have a right to know when they deviate from their "goals" and the deadlines THEY have set.".

Feel free to disagree, but do not tell me what words I can use.
I will tell you claimed you had a "right" when you don't. Whether you want to use touchy-feely words like "I feel as if I" or not. Saying "I feel as" or "I feel I have a..."

...is the same thing as saying "I have a right to something". You're just trying to pad it with extra nonsense. Feeling you have a right to something and saying you have a right to something are the same thing. You're a human being making a statement about your thoughts and beliefs. Both statements are equally wrong.

On that matter, you as a consumer do not have a right to anything other than your license. You can feel it all you want. You don't have a right to it.
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Urael
02.07.2013 , 03:53 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
Oh I will tell you. I will tell you claimed you had a "right" when you don't. Whether you want to use touchy-feely words like "I feel as if I" or not. Saying "I feel as" or "I feel I have a..."

...is the same thing as saying "I have a right to something". You're just trying to pad it with extra nonsense. Feeling you have a right to something and saying you have a right to something are the same thing. You're a human being making a statement about your thoughts and beliefs. Both statements are equally wrong.
Actually ... this is more apt and to the point. I have the right to say whatever I want in the united states via the 1st amendment. While I have the right to yell fire in a movie theatre. I should not do so unless there is a fire. Even though I have the right to yell fire in a theatre without a fire, if anyone is hurt, I can be liable for their pain and suffering and even legal procecussion for a "false alarm". So not always it having the right and excuting that right the same thing.

Now to "feeling like" vs. "diffinitive exercise of said feeling" ... I am not overly fond of passive tense. I do make the acception when it needs to be said for clarification (e.g. I feel as if I have the right vs. I have the right ). The clarification would be to show the reader in no uncertain terms that the writer by his opinion feels that the particular action is owed to him but, may or may not be the case. So while it may not be the actual case that EAware owes more frequent, clear and consise communication. I believe what TUXs is trying to point out that "in good will" he and many others feel that there would be a perception of value on the part of EAware for their consumers if they do so.

The two are not necessarily the same in all casses. To state such an absolute is folly.


Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
On that matter, you as a consumer do not have a right to anything other than your license. You can feel it all you want. You don't have a right to it.
As consumer we have the "right to a quality product". We do. If we are not we try to get satisfaction. Not meeting that satisfaction we nolonger support via treasure that product. Unfortuneately with the advent of Freemium the power of the purse has been taken away from subscribers. There are plently foolish enough to pay had over fist for substandard trinkets in the CM Store. As long as that is SWTOR's main revenue stream ( latest EA report for SWTOR ) we subscribers can go pound sand as far as both EA and EAware are concerned. They have our money. And they are getting new money from transent people at best ( the vast majority of Freemium populations don't have the longevity of a subscriber base).

EA is short term minded. Look what they did to WAR and how they are barely supporting Funcom. They got the money they invested already and are milking what little remains. EA is a freaking vampire.

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TUXs
02.07.2013 , 03:53 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
Feeling you have a right to something and saying you have a right to something are the same thing. You're a human being making a statement about your thoughts and beliefs. Both statements are equally wrong.
I can never be mistaken or wrong about what I feel, so no, my thoughts and beliefs are not wrong.

Stating that I feel we have a 'right' to know, does not mean that I believe the Constitution granted me some unalienable right to the information - it means I believe it is a fair and just expectation.
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