Expertise: Max or 1200 - Debate has ended

i believe this is what they call min/maxing?

Yes there are governing laws and equations. But you don't seem to understand where you're fundamentally mistaken. People don't simulate the outcome using an equation of inputs. That is where you seem to fail in your understanding. They simulate it based off of partial differential results because what they are simulating has physical properties which are subject to far too many entrenuous factors to count.

As an engineer I expect you would've understood or appreciated why the applied equations look nothing like the model equations hashed out by mathematicians.

They've run simulations with calculations that didn't directly relate the evidence to the stated outcome. They proceeded based off of their understanding of each individual part and differentially created a simulation based off of known smaller parts. You still don't see where your simulation fails.

Real life application not using the theoretical mumbo-jumbo they use to relate inputs directly to outputs. Otherwise you wouldn't see half as many approximations as you do. You don't seem to understand that all you did was come up with equations that related the input (expertise) to damage numbers. The numbers stated don't even account for the non-deterministic elements of the game. Therefore the inherit assumption about what you know are flawed.


Wrong if you factor in network latency, your underlying assumption of dealing damage each GCD is a farce. Furthermore with network latency on both ends you cannot make the claim that one deals more damage than the other unless you take time out of the equation. Which then of course will leave you making incorrect claims about which actually deals more damage over the course of a fight.

Your inability to recognize and reflect on the issues pointed out about your model is very un-engineer-like.

He's an engineer. I think his opinion is overwhelmingly more meaningful than yours in this case. On top of this is the fact that you've done nothing other than type out a bunch of meaningless nonsense.



Really? This has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Whether a GCD happens "on time" or a some arbitrary number of milliseconds "late" is entirely irrelevant to what happens in that GCD when it does occur. The way expertise and your other stats affect damage remains consistent over the course of every GCD, "whenever" they occur. If you are serious about this claim you're making, then you really do have virtually no understanding of what yo're talking about whatsoever.

http://i.imgur.com/H8TSi1A.jpg

my model is correct.

here is the link again if youd like to fiddle with it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xoqnuvb3yk...rtise_sim.xlsx

*this pic is w/ a prototype hyper-battle stim, so the stats are a bit lower than the other tests. didnt feel like wasting an exotech for a photo op

Ya but you're not actually more effective because although the 1200 exp player does more dam to the max exp vs. max vs. max, the moment the target retaliates, it all changes and the 1200 exp is worse off than the max exp player IF there are heals happening.

People min/max in order to be more effective, not to be worse.

Yes swapping crystals is good, but that leaves you at 1300+, not 1200 and I said 1200. There are even some idiots like L-randle who think going below 1000 exp is best.

That is the exact reason people are using pve crap.

giving up 1.9% mitigation for 1.3% more offensive output is a worthwhile trade in my eyes.

in a civil war era style fight i might get my behind handed to me every time, but luckily the PvP in this game is a little more complicated than "line-up, point your gun, and pew pew until someone dies"

i do agree tho, that going below 1214 is a bad idea. you can play with sacrificing mitigation for damage when its only a couple %. beyond that youre not going to see the same benefit

Awesome work Cash. thanks. Looks like I'll be pushing my way up to 1314 expertise eventually. That looks to be about the best overall balance.

To the dude talking about math guys. Math that is done correctly is always completely correct. We let you guys do the building cause we hate doing calculations and in the real world we don't know what all the axioms are. Nevertheless every model you're using is based off math so you should probably not down on the mathematicians too much.

Also all your arguments against Cash are pretty much nonsense.

Bee teee dub, engineers are the Oompa Loompas to the mathemeticians that is Willy Wonka.

HA! That's an awesome analogy.