Don't get Discouraged by Jerks in PUG FP's or OPS

These days i do a gear check right at the start of a HM FP and if a player is undergeared, I let them know. I'll then ask if they know the instance,(since it could be an alt and they know the FP). If it's their first time and have never done it, I'll as them to leave and do a story mode first. Sorry not playing teacher in HM, unless you know the basics.

What I expect is simple, if your doing a HM FP, then that means you've done it in regular mode first, your in at least tionese level gear,(not recruit gear doing LI HM) My Tank, DPS and Healer are all in full Campaign+ gear, so it's easy for me to carry one person who is undergeared, but if you don't know the fights and won't listen, you will be booted or I simply leave.

I don't mind doing every fight and waiting for someone to watch the cut scenes, what I do mind is the player that doesn't listen or has a god complex. If your not a team player then don't do FP's or OPS. That means learn and play your role.

After the initial gear check, if most are overgeared, then ASK if they want this to be a speed run, never assume.

Six ways you can avoid being screamed at and kicked;

1) Know the FP: If you're a fresh 50, it behooves you to already be familiar with the flashpoint. Run them in normal first, even if you're over-leveled for them. You're expected to have at least run the FP before moving on, and really, a hard mode isn't the place to learn. Now, this is obviously not possible with an Operation, so ...

2) Take an hour to glance over the guides for the FP and OP's : No, *really*. It does NOT take that long at all to read the guys and at least understand the basic mechanics (hide from Anni droid behind turret, use knockbacks or grenade to finish last boss in False Emperor, etc). You don't have to memorize or take notes, but make yourself at least generally familar with it.

3) Tell people you're new! : for the love of God, when someone asks "has everyone run this FP before" , don't remain quiet if you haven't. If everyone is familiar with it, I'm going to assume they know all the skips, where to stand, and what the boss mechanics are -- and if we wipe and you wait until THEN to tell me you are new, people will be understandably angry.

4) Make an *attempt* at being properly geared: look, if you just dinged 50 , no one expect you to show up in augmented campaign gear, lol. But nowdays you get a free set of Tionese and a handful of BH coms just for hitting 50. Get your free set, and run a few dailies to pick up some Black Hole pieces, before you start running. The orange gear with a bunch of green 42 mods that got you to 50 is simply not going to cut it for some of the HM FP and will get you completely wrecked even in an SM OP.

5) Have your guild run you: get with a guild and have them run you through OPs to get into better gear ASAP. Your guildies can also give you tips and tricks on how to make it past certain tricky spots or handle the scarier HM like LI and TFB OP. Running solo is fine when derping about your class story, but a guild really is helpful when doing the end game content. Plus, using GF is a crapshoot in terms of who you end up grouped with. Speaking of that...

6) Be aware of GF and what it's used for: most people running Group Finder FP are doing so for daily comms and black hole comms. They are going to be wanting to do it as fast as possible and , sometimes, will be very dismissive of a new player or even kick you. No matter. Brush yourself off and try again, there are plenty of nice people in the game who will be happy to help.

If you need a healer or tank for any content, I'm on Harbinger and very willing to help fresh 50's.

I think I agree with this than the OP. Show me you're making an effort and an effort will be returned to you in favor.

Don't come straight to HM FP's and say I have never been hear and I have never done this normal and I know nothing. Thats asking for trouble. It shows you care nothing but how fast you can get gear and want others to get it for you. If you can't put in the effort, neither should I.

Say you're new at a minimum. but at least make an effort to not be clueless.

Try to know the FP's, try to know what the normal bosses do. The HM bosses are not that much different. From that point you might actually impress someone for being new and knowing what to do.

Try to do something gear wise before you hit a HM FP. If you did a couple dailies for just a week, you could have the 5 main pieces geared with purple 22 armoring's, mods and enchantments and thats with out getting the tionese gear.
There are easy things you can do to get gear as a new 50. Do them.

A new person can make it so much easier on themselves if they tried. Older players still need to step up sometimes and help out but newer players need to show the olders ones that they are at least trying.

Part of the problem is the erroneous belief held by some that ANY/ALL types of PVE gear are better than any PVP gear.

Recently I had a discussion about gear, and was told that Tionese is unequivocally better than the mix of PVP gear I currently wear, because "it's made for PVE," and that If I use PVP gear to run any hard mode flashpoint, I'll fail miserably, the party will wipe, and I'll probably get kicked. With that in mind, I went to the Tionese vendor and compared how much of an improvement Tionese would be for me. Switching would result in:

+97 Power
-465 Armor
-222 Endurance
-225 Cunning
-61 Accuracy
-139 Crit
-53 Surge
-13 Alacrity
-162 Tech Power
-65 Mainhand max damage
-35 Mainhand min damage
-65 Offhand max damage
-35 Offhand min damage

Despite those numbers, some people still believe that being classified as "PVE armor" magically makes it better than anything else.

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For comparative purposes, switching to full Black Hole gear would result in the following:

-24 Armor
+106 Endurance
+13 Cunning
-37 Power
+148 Crit
+4 Alacrity
+61 Surge
-37 Accuracy

This, and good on you for doing your research. Nothing sticks in someone's craw like being shown raw numbers.

I have a complete set of War Hero with a couple of Elite pieces, and I can keep up with all but the highest tiers of PVE armor available. To be fair, I have not done any ops, nor will I until I feel comfortable in HM flashpoints, but that's being fair to myself as well as others. If I can get to a decent tier of PVE gear before doing an Op, I'm hoping I can avoid the 'Gear Fascists', at least their arguments.

Problem with her numbers is its all BS

Yes Tionesse has lower Armor then Warhero or Elite Warhero gear.
What she leaves out of statement is Armor rating is basically meaningless for a DPS or even Healer if people playing the classes are agro dumping regularly, useing defensive abilities when required.

Tionesse does however have higher main stat and 2nd stat bonuses on armor preices and "some" mods/enhancements (not all so you have to pick and choose carefully)

Hilts and barrels are higher rating on warhero and elite war hero gear then tionesse but its not hard at all to get 26 and 27 hilts and barrels now a days so really no exuse to be using WH/EWH hilts and barrels other then blanket laziness.

In the end it comes to this, Id kick poster your replying to from a group with out a second thought. Wouldnt even blink over it.

Not because she has PVP gear. My characters (excluding my gimp arse guardian) are all so OP for HMFPs now that I can carry her gimp arse character through with out much issue.

Id kick her because she clearly refuses to listen to truth and common sense and I get feeling is one of those that would sit there in FP argueing with you when you tried to help her with truthful and positive suggestions. Shed yammer on and on and on about tionesse < PVP and in the end Id get a head ache and say "you should have columi or better for HMs, goodbye".

And I wouldnt be wrong.

If you can spend the time to get full suit of Warhero or Elite warhero, you can spend time getting black hole coms from weeklies, dreadguard relics and Rakata earpeices from dailies, and columi (at a minimum) from storymode FPs and OPs.

If I was her id enter HMFPs and say "sorry all, still working on proper PVE set of gear so please excuse the the PVP gear". 9 outta 10 groups will do just that and as long as she wasnt a loud mouth who claims to know it all, will gladly carry her through FP.

I always find it funny how you enter a PVP WZ in Rakata or even Black Hole and you will get abused for having 0 expertise (and rightfully so), and people will leave WZ rather then carry you through.

Yet you enter PVE with understated PVP gear and its just assumed everyone will and should carry you through it.

This game is SUPER EASY MODE to get the basic HMFP level PVE gear and WH PVP gear.

There is NO VALID EXUSE anyone should not have 2 sets of gear in very short order (2-3 weeks max if not less).

Yes Tionesse < War hero
Warhero < Dreadguard

Whats the point?
You should have columi or higher for HMFP idealy and Elite Warhero for PVP ideal.
Defending less then that as acceptable is only going to get you tossed from PVE groups and left solo in PVP WZs

... commando healer who wanted to speed run and kept running right into the mobs to start the fight because he did not want to wait for the rest of us (part of his douche speed running), ...