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Bad feeling about lack of "Expansion" news

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Bad feeling about lack of "Expansion" news

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odonoghuet
02.04.2013 , 01:19 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by -IceHawk- View Post
Considering that Bioware has already begun to take people's money for this content I would argue that the "cannot promote due to over-hyping" excuse no longer applies.

Bioware has taken, and is asking for more, player money for Makeb.

Ergo, it is time to give us more information about it.
In my experiance with months before release they can only over saturate advertising at this time. They have to date only advertised Makeb to the player base through thier own website and game client, which is aimed to players who are either subscribers already giving money or F2P players who might bite at the half off cost.

If you aren't buying because you want what it basically represents, you can keep your money till the main advertising push. It litterailly makes no difference to Bioware because how much money allocated to it isn't based on the presales, it is budgeted off the sales predictions made months ago and adjusted slightly off new data of which presales is just one factor. Even the cash they get off revenue from presales is not rolled into project budgets yet, these are big companies not living off hand to mouth.
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Arkerus
02.04.2013 , 01:47 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by odonoghuet View Post
In my experiance with months before release they can only over saturate advertising at this time. They have to date only advertised Makeb to the player base through thier own website and game client, which is aimed to players who are either subscribers already giving money or F2P players who might bite at the half off cost.

If you aren't buying because you want what it basically represents, you can keep your money till the main advertising push. It litterailly makes no difference to Bioware because how much money allocated to it isn't based on the presales, it is budgeted off the sales predictions made months ago and adjusted slightly off new data of which presales is just one factor. Even the cash they get off revenue from presales is not rolled into project budgets yet, these are big companies not living off hand to mouth.
At least someone in here understands how the real world works. Bioware doesn't care that you "Internet heroes" aren't buying it right now. They have a decent sales prediction. The only thing coming in here declaring "that you will stand your ground until you see more details" gets you is...um....is....um....

Not much. If you want to keep playing TOR they know you will buy it. If you don't want 5 more levels then by all means please try a new game. No one is blaming anyone for leaving. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the matter but please stop with the ridiculous demands and "me first, tell me" attitudes.
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ElyonRand
02.04.2013 , 02:13 AM | #63
They told us in London that Makeb was 'scarily close'. 'Close enough that [they] shouldn't really be [in London]'. Obviously that's not an actual estimation of time, but I suspect that is so if there is a problem, they can hold it off for a little longer. My personal estimation is 6 weeks, but that's me just guessing.

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AshenK
02.04.2013 , 02:35 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
At least someone in here understands how the real world works. Bioware doesn't care that you "Internet heroes" aren't buying it right now. They have a decent sales prediction. The only thing coming in here declaring "that you will stand your ground until you see more details" gets you is...um....is....um....

Not much. If you want to keep playing TOR they know you will buy it. If you don't want 5 more levels then by all means please try a new game. No one is blaming anyone for leaving. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the matter but please stop with the ridiculous demands and "me first, tell me" attitudes.
Yes I will stand my ground until I see more details and hear what my money is getting me. That is my job as a customer! Let me ask ya this, lets say I go into McDonalds and get a Big Mac do I know what's on it? Well there's a nice picture of it, also the person working behind the counter will tell me whats on it.

Now lets say there is a mystery meal at McDonalds. You buy and they give you just a box, you have no idea what's inside it. They can't tell you what's in the box other then the normal lines of you'll like it, or it's so cool! Do you think anyone will get the mystery meal? No.

But that's what BioWare is offering us, a mystery meal. They want us to put our money down on something that has what? Three screenshots? Oh wait it has 5 more levels yay! Still are they showing anything cool? How about a new Speeder or two? How about some new cool looking Armor? How about some flashy new weapons or the like? Nope nothing. I don't know about you but I'm not buying the mystery expansion.

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Zylaro
02.04.2013 , 02:36 AM | #65
2.25 gig download for the PTS last week. So something big is coming there soon.

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BanthaRaider
02.04.2013 , 02:52 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSylar View Post
Couple of things worth mentioing
-new level 55 gear will not be BIS. The Devs have said it BH/Campaign and Dread Guard will still be used. Just my opinion, the best gear given out (not including new HMs or OPs) may be better than Columi, but that's it. Dread Guard is equal to level 63, Campaign/BH is equal to level 61, Rakata is equal to 58, Columi is equal to 56 and Tionesse is equal to 51. So at best the purple SM gear may be equal to Columi or even fall just short. There's really no need to increase the stats of the level 55 gear beyond that considering how many casual players have BH, due to how many coms you can get in a week w/o doing a single operation.
-I'd be shocked and very dissappointed if this expansion only included 5 new levels and 1 planet of faction stories. I think at minimum, this expansion will include a new and larger operation. I'm not a hardcore raider, but I know the raiders want an operation with more than 5 bosses, maybe as many as 10. If Bioware decides to stay with 5 boss operations, then 2 is a possibility. I'd also expect a few flashpoints tuned to level 55. HMs for Hmmer Station, Athiss, Mandalorian Raiders, Cademinu, Colocoid War Games and Red Reeper tuned to level 55 would be ideal.
-I can do w/o crafting. Nothing we make should be BIS, and as long as we can RE new raid items to learn those schematics, the I would be fine.
-Companion stories likely will not be expanded this go around and not untill class stories are continued.
-Likely 2 warzones as well. I don't pvp, so that's definately an after thought for me

and fwiw, w/o this expansion you will be left behind. You can likely still do TFB HM and EC HM/NiM, but you will likely have a hard to finding a group unless your guild is running it.
F2p have "limited" Access to HM, Ops and WZs.
Now a F2p player gets himself this "Content Patch" for 20$?
He logs in and should noticed.. uh ya.. i payed for this stuff but have no access to it.. nice.
Wich means with the release of Makeb, they CANT add Ops, WZ or new HM as long F2P got themself
the "update"
More like 6-12 weeks later as casual Patch.

Looking at 1.7 Ideas i expect to see:
Reputation Grind
New Style Gear (mostyle Cartel Stuff, maybe Social lvl 11 Huttgear)
New Daily Area for Reputation and BH comms

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ElyonRand
02.04.2013 , 02:58 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by AshenK View Post
Yes I will stand my ground until I see more details and hear what my money is getting me. That is my job as a customer! Let me ask ya this, lets say I go into McDonalds and get a Big Mac do I know what's on it? Well there's a nice picture of it, also the person working behind the counter will tell me whats on it.

Now lets say there is a mystery meal at McDonalds. You buy and they give you just a box, you have no idea what's inside it. They can't tell you what's in the box other then the normal lines of you'll like it, or it's so cool! Do you think anyone will get the mystery meal? No.

But that's what BioWare is offering us, a mystery meal. They want us to put our money down on something that has what? Three screenshots? Oh wait it has 5 more levels yay! Still are they showing anything cool? How about a new Speeder or two? How about some new cool looking Armor? How about some flashy new weapons or the like? Nope nothing. I don't know about you but I'm not buying the mystery expansion.
In contrast, would you buy a book if the back of the book had the entire plot on the back? No.

And anyway, what do you mean you'll stand your ground? Going on and on about how you won't buy until you hear more won't necessarily bring more information. If you don't want to buy without more information, that's your decision, but you can't complain if you miss release because of that. You can't have both. You can either have faith, or wait.

And before you go on and say 'why should I have faith? Bioware always lets the players down', no it doesn't. Otherwise we, including you, would have all left a long time ago. And let's face it, you're subscribing, otherwise you wouldn't be here, so you are giving Bioware money for something.

You are getting a whole planet, a new chapter with plot and fully voiced (which is a massive feat btw), players are getting early stages of same gender relationships, which has also been a massive deal since launch. Yeah, we don't know if we're getting some new armour, speeders or weapons, but that other stuff is way better than that. We get those things all the time.

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Stradlin
02.04.2013 , 02:59 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by SnoggyMack View Post
So it's just the price tag that's causing the issue? Because the large content is still part of the product isn't it?
Huge content patch a small expansion makes
- Yoda

Based on how incredibly lame the Makeb hype page remains, it is ultimately a question of
"Is new planet without class storylines something you'd like to pay 10 bux for?"
I found answering this question very easy.

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Stradlin
02.04.2013 , 03:04 AM | #69
After two rounds of pre order baiting, the feature list still looks like this:
  • Completely artifical lvl cap to force everyone to buy it
  • Kill mobs that belong to Hutt Caretel!
  • Pre order and you get holo statues!!
  • More info has been coming soon for 3 months wee!

It takes respectable, admirable amount of will to get exited about this.

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Goretzu
02.04.2013 , 03:29 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by ElyonRand View Post
In contrast, would you buy a book if the back of the book had the entire plot on the back? No.

Indeed, no one would expect them to tell you the Makeb plot.

However everything else should be plainly laid out before pre-order IMO.

I do think it probably is though, it's just that Makeb is an adventure pack, not an expansion (in the traditional MMO sense) and there isn't going to BE very much too it.
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