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Ty_walla
01.31.2013 , 07:07 PM | #11
I do not think we are going to agree here but thank you for your input.
Bawoni
The Shadowlands
The Chandrian

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Padheannis
01.31.2013 , 08:07 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by veyl View Post
If you ever look up what an Exploit is in a video game, you'll see why what you're doing is wrong. If you are using a games mechanic to purposefully bypass all other mechanics of a boss fight, you are exploiting the fight to win. When this occurred in wow, the development team had a hotfix for the fight within a week and if a guild used something like this, they would be banned for 3 days. (Which happened on a few World Firsts last expansion and also on Heroic LK 25man) The Bioware Development team in general is terrible with fixing bugs in raids (See SOA for the first 6 months of this game as an example) so I'm sure you can continue to use this strat with no worry of ban hammers.

Also:
You are talking about it being a higher dps check but you're forgetting that you're eliminating all other aspects of the fight that would hinder DPS. You are essentially making the fight a Tank and Spank where you don't have to worry about ANY OTHER mechanic that would screw up your rotations. You are also severely reducing the amount of healing going out because the healers will only have to watch the tank on Toth and never have to worry about the two red circle phases. This also eliminates the movement // defensive CD // possibly self heals of all of the DPS because you are exploiting a bug in order to skip phases.

Like I stated before: This strategy completely cheeses the fight and makes it a joke. If those guilds out there that are still struggling with NiM T/Z use this strat and then it is "fixed" (IE, after the big rock is thrown - the red circle phase will follow) they will have to learn to do it the "correct" way.
when bioware calls this an exploit we will stop, until then, you need to stop. cheesing maybe, exploit never. And yes they do know we do it like this.
I am intimately aware of mmo dev, and while i may not work for this company, i do know dev mindset. There is more than one way to beat a boss. Did they think of this, maybe, maybe not, but, and all developers of mmos will say this, there is more than one viable way to clear a boss. an exploit would be something like /getdown while tanking Soa, and if you don't know how that worked out, Google search it. That is an exploit, this is a smart use of mechanics

edit: I forgot to add this, I'm the healer in this group, the "normal" way, i end fight with full force. on the "exploit" way, i end up with no force. there is more than enough damage going out to make this a "hard" strat, if you cant push, and do not have good heals, you will die. (PS. I've been involved in mmo development for 10+ years. can play any role fairly well except dps {bores me}, so calling me a bad healer isn't going to work)

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Krazy_Karl
02.01.2013 , 02:15 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Padheannis View Post
edit: I forgot to add this, I'm the healer in this group, the "normal" way, i end fight with full force. on the "exploit" way, i end up with no force. there is more than enough damage going out to make this a "hard" strat, if you cant push, and do not have good heals, you will die. (PS. I've been involved in mmo development for 10+ years. can play any role fairly well except dps {bores me}, so calling me a bad healer isn't going to work)
What little credibility you may have had, is gone now after this statement. And let me quote from your guild here:

Quote:
Bawoni - Corruptive Minds
Found an interesting strategy that my guild has done about twice a week upon release of 1.6 for Toth and Zorn Nightmare Mode. Basically we keep Toth in berserk phase for the entire fight. Must have top-notch dps but the fight is very clean if done correctly and considerably easier for each role.
So I read contradictory statements. You are saying it is hard, yet your guild is quoting saying this makes the fight considerably easier. Which is it?

Regardless, there is nothing "hard" about this fight no matter how you do it. What you are doing is cheesing a mechanic that is clearly NOT working as intended which equates to exploiting. In the Operations forums there was an entire thread discussing your "hard" strat, which was ultimately deleted because posting exploits on the forums is against the TOS.

Basically what you are doing here is broadcasting to the server that you cannot do a clearly scripted fight as intended and need to bypass mechanics in order for your DPS to properly execute the fight. What I read is that there are issues avoiding red reticles, having DPS not kill themeselves to Fearful, cleansing the DOT that goes out after the transitions, etc. Basically removing all the execution aspects of the fight which is all any of these fights are. You might as well be fighting the Operations Dummy on the fleet.

When the fight is fixed in 3-4 months from now (thanks Bioware), you'll have overgeared the content and not even need to go back and execute it the normal way. This is also the same reason I would assume you are still 3/4 Nightmare EC.

Regards,
KK
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. - Yoda

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BlownSi
02.01.2013 , 02:39 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Krazy_Karl View Post
So I read contradictory statements. You are saying it is hard, yet your guild is quoting saying this makes the fight considerably easier. Which is it?
Ok, you sound like a somewhat intelligent person, so I have to assume you are just trolling by this comment, because if you read the context of both comments that you quoted, a logical deduction could be achieved that this strategy IS easier on all rolls, IF.......one more time.......IF....the people in those rolls are top notch in their respective production.


Oh, and we cleared Zorn and Toth NiM the night of release, using the normal strat with tank swaps and such. So, before you go shooting your mouth off about things you know nothing about, you might want to just use that little thing in between your ears called a brain before you actually open your mouth.
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Herem
02.01.2013 , 09:34 PM | #15
Personally I think this strategy falls under the purview of "creative use of game mechanics". Bypassing the mechanics of the fight is certainly cheesing it, but this is something that anyone can do, given adequate gear and/or experience. Ultimately, it's just a game, and no one's ego should be bruised because someone found a "better" way to kill a NPC.

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Ty_walla
02.01.2013 , 10:35 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Herem View Post
Personally I think this strategy falls under the purview of "creative use of game mechanics". Bypassing the mechanics of the fight is certainly cheesing it, but this is something that anyone can do, given adequate gear and/or experience. Ultimately, it's just a game, and no one's ego should be bruised because someone found a "better" way to kill a NPC.
Well put. Just a game. If it is easy for you, then by all means do it that way. If you find another way that is easier for you and your group, do it that way. As long as your not wallhacking or something, by all means do whatever strategy you feel like doing to accomplish the mission. Good luck to all.
Bawoni
The Shadowlands
The Chandrian

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Krazy_Karl
02.04.2013 , 09:04 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by BlownSi View Post
Ok, you sound like a somewhat intelligent person, so I have to assume you are just trolling by this comment, because if you read the context of both comments that you quoted, a logical deduction could be achieved that this strategy IS easier on all rolls, IF.......one more time.......IF....the people in those rolls are top notch in their respective production.
Rolls != Roles

Next time before you attempt to insult someone's intelligence, you should make sure you aren't making any basic grammatical errors.

Quote: Originally Posted by BlownSi View Post
Oh, and we cleared Zorn and Toth NiM the night of release, using the normal strat with tank swaps and such. So, before you go shooting your mouth off about things you know nothing about, you might want to just use that little thing in between your ears called a brain before you actually open your mouth.
Secondly, assuming you did actually do it properly: good for you on clearing the easiest fight in the instance on the night of release without exploiting and abusing broken mechanics from Bioware's wonderful development team. But based on the quote from your member, you have been exploiting twice a week since the release of 1.6 so are we to just take your word?

I am really impressed by your guild and its skill. /sarcasm

The only reason to exploit as your guild is doing week after week is if you cannot consistently execute the fight and ALL of it's mechanics. And how long have you been working on NiM Kephess now? AFAIK there is not an abuse of mechanics that has been found yet to cheese your way to victory on that fight, but I am sure once you find it you'll still be the 20th best guild on the server.

Regards,
KK
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. - Yoda

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RyanReagan
02.04.2013 , 10:13 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Krazy_Karl View Post
Rolls != Roles

Next time before you attempt to insult someone's intelligence, you should make sure you aren't making any basic grammatical errors.



Secondly, assuming you did actually do it properly: good for you on clearing the easiest fight in the instance on the night of release without exploiting and abusing broken mechanics from Bioware's wonderful development team. But based on the quote from your member, you have been exploiting twice a week since the release of 1.6 so are we to just take your word?

I am really impressed by your guild and its skill. /sarcasm

The only reason to exploit as your guild is doing week after week is if you cannot consistently execute the fight and ALL of it's mechanics. And how long have you been working on NiM Kephess now? AFAIK there is not an abuse of mechanics that has been found yet to cheese your way to victory on that fight, but I am sure once you find it you'll still be the 20th best guild on the server.

Regards,
KK
Please do not cheese your PvE battles, you may upset the NPC Boss. (And, apparently, Krazy Karl).
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Krazy_Karl
02.04.2013 , 11:01 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by RyanReagan View Post
Please do not cheese your PvE battles, you may upset the NPC Boss. (And, apparently, Krazy Karl).
I am assuming you're enjoying "Stun Wars"/"Smash Wars" more than ever? Because we all know PvP is perfectly balanced.

Regards,
KK
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. - Yoda

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Ty_walla
02.05.2013 , 05:41 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by RyanReagan View Post
Please do not cheese your PvE battles, you may upset the NPC Boss. (And, apparently, Krazy Karl).
Agreed. What must we feed him to make him happy?
Bawoni
The Shadowlands
The Chandrian