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Was dual spec never added?


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snakebam
01.31.2013 , 07:01 AM | #31
Im out of WoW for over a year but last time I was there you could set up your gear, talents quick bars and save. On a push of a button you switch between two of such builds as long as the gear is in you bag with, some one correct me if im wrong, like a 30sec CD.

As for trash talk and whine... Seems like plugging holes on a leaky ship.... the more water rushes through a hole the more attention from the crew it gets.

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Rezakh
01.31.2013 , 07:07 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by jgelling View Post
"We've learned to accept mediocrity and broken promises." Whatever dude. It was a legitimate question and it's not unreasonable to think they might have fixed this situation after a year.
I was going to reply to him, but this pretty much covers it. Thanks.

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ImperialSun
01.31.2013 , 07:17 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by J__H View Post
Dual spec is not WoW only, stop trying to be so 'unique' from WoW it doesn't make you a better person/ gamer. Also it does need fixing, as the game supports switching specs yet does so in an inconvenient and archaic manner. If BW don't want us switching specs then don't allow it at all, don't implement a system which doesn't really deter spec switching just makes it tedious and an annoyance.
Care to point out the section in my post where I said that GF feature is "WoW Only" and "makes you a better person/ gamer"? Didn't think so...

It does not need fixing as the feature is working as it was intended.

Can you switch specs whenever you want to for free? Yes.

Can you switch spec as conveniently as you want? No.

Thanks for clarifying...

Driz

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Arlon_Nabarlly
01.31.2013 , 07:42 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by DirgeZombie View Post
It was never added and isn't needed. Everyone has the option to unlock the ability to respec at any time.
I disagree. Dual spec (or even better triple spec) would be a great feature to add. Especially if it auto moves your abilities when you switch specs. When I switch specs currently (daily occurrence) I have to bring up a screenshot, reclick all my tree options, move all my abilities to their correct positions, and change my gear. It only takes a few minutes, but it's a few minutes where sometimes I have people in a flashpoint or ops waiting on me. Also it makes it very easy to forget to move something and end up not having an ability on the right hot-key when you need it. Is it needed, no not really, is it a highly desired quality of life improvement, absolutely.

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J__H
01.31.2013 , 07:48 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialSun View Post
Care to point out the section in my post where I said that GF feature is "WoW Only" and "makes you a better person/ gamer"? Didn't think so...

It does not need fixing as the feature is working as it was intended.

Can you switch specs whenever you want to for free? Yes.

Can you switch spec as conveniently as you want? No.

Thanks for clarifying...

Driz
It's not a section in your posts, its your condescending tone and attitude that speak louder than words. My point is the feature may be working as intended but its a stupid intention in the first place.

If you can switch specs with no real consequence what's the point in putting any barriers at all. it doesn't stop people from switching, it doesn't stop the effect on an MMO that spec switching has. All it does is annoy the player who wishes to switch their specs.

It is in no way beneficial to either side of the fence and is a poorly thought out and implemented system.
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Devlonir
01.31.2013 , 07:52 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by J__H View Post
Also it does need fixing, as the game supports switching specs yet does so in an inconvenient and archaic manner.
That is not 'needing of fixing' that is 'in need of a new or expanded feature'. That is the entire point the poster is trying to make and just by basicly saying: "You are wrong and I am right, because I say so!" doesn't change that.

Yes, it is a debate of semantics. But Bugs need fixing, new Features need development. But the way you debate your point does not go above the level of schoolyard 'debate'.

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If BW don't want us switching specs then don't allow it at all, don't implement a system which doesn't really deter spec switching just makes it tedious and an annoyance.
As opposed to the old system that was more tedious and more annoying and used to cost a lot of credits for those who did it regularly. Something was added to make it easier and you complain that it still isn't easy enough, basicly.

That is pretty similar to basicly being a 16 year old who wanted a car for their birthday and when their parent gives them a car, complains about the fact that it has the wrong color or doesn't have airco or electric windows. Again, basicly the level of childish debate.

Quote: Originally Posted by J__H View Post
If you can switch specs with no real consequence what's the point in putting any barriers at all. it doesn't stop people from switching, it doesn't stop the effect on an MMO that spec switching has. All it does is annoy the player who wishes to switch their specs.
No, all it does is make it easier than it was before through a very quick and simple implementation of using an already existing system of respeccing in a more easy way.
In software development a change like this is considered a 'minimum input, maximum reward' kind of solution. The systems are already in play so need little to no new development and testing, but opening the availability of the system up increases customer experience and decreases time needed to perform a task (no longer need to go to fleet and talk to a specific mob, or make money to keep respeccing)

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It is in no way beneficial to either side of the fence and is a poorly thought out and implemented system.
1) There is no fence to be on. Everyone would like an easier system honestly. Nobody will complain when all of a sudden they can change between multiple pre-determined setups at the click of a button. So there is no one side vs the other.
2) The system that was implemented is provable to be benificial for anyone who wants to switch specs and is in no way intrusive to those who do not. So, it is a benificial change. It is not as complete as a more feature rich change like being able to create your own setups and switch between them, but it is still benficial compared to the previous situation.

Just because something isn't made as easy as you wanted it to be, doesn't mean it's not made easier.
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ImperialSun
01.31.2013 , 07:55 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by J__H View Post
It's not a section in your posts, its your condescending tone and attitude that speak louder than words. My point is the feature may be working as intended but its a stupid intention in the first place.

If you can switch specs with no real consequence what's the point in putting any barriers at all. it doesn't stop people from switching, it doesn't stop the effect on an MMO that spec switching has. All it does is annoy the player who wishes to switch their specs.

It is in no way beneficial to either side of the fence and is a poorly thought out and implemented system.
There are no barriers currently other than the ones in your own head. You can switch back and forth right now, for free. How long does it take to switch specs? How long does it take to re-allocate skill points and drag some abilities/gear around? 60 seconds?

The fact is you can do what you want to do in game right now, its just not as slick and convenient as YOU and a few others would like. For mer personally and many, many other players the current system does what it says on the tin. Could it be improved? Sure. Is is broken? No.

I personally dont like the idea of the entire game being driven by menus, lobby's and gear switching screens. Makes the game feel more like an FPS iand less like a MMORPG mo.

Driz

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kevlarto
01.31.2013 , 07:56 AM | #38
Any thing they promised before f2p, and after two rounds of layoffs and re-structure, you can throw out the window, kinda gota work with he tools they give us or move on to something else, not saying what they did was the right thing or I agree, it is just the way it is, nothing more and kinda sad..

Players have made thousands of complaints, and idea's which I feel sadly has mostly gone on deaf ears, EA only hears sounds when it says, how much money can we make...
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J__H
01.31.2013 , 08:00 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Devlonir View Post
That is not 'needing of fixing' that is 'in need of a new or expanded feature'. That is the entire point the poster is trying to make and just by basicly saying: "You are wrong and I am right, because I say so!" doesn't change that.

Yes, it is a debate of semantics. But Bugs need fixing, new Features need development. But the way you debate your point does not go above the level of schoolyard 'debate'.


As opposed to the old system that was more tedious and more annoying and used to cost a lot of credits for those who did it regularly. Something was added to make it easier and you complain that it still isn't easy enough, basicly.

That is pretty similar to basicly being a 16 year old who wanted a car for their birthday and when their parent gives them a car, complains about the fact that it has the wrong color or doesn't have airco or electric windows. Again, basicly the level of childish debate.
Fixing, new feature, you can call it what you want I'm not interested in debating semantics. The system is a poor one. May I ask why when the technology is readily available they produce a half-assed system that neither group of players want. Yes most people just deal with it and move on but that doesn't discredit the fact its a bad system and could have been made a whole lot better. I can play the metaphor game as well, as in its more like purchasing a dishwasher that still requires you to pre-wash your dishes before you put them in as opposed to purchasing a dishwasher that does all the work for you, for the same price.
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J__H
01.31.2013 , 08:05 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialSun View Post
There are no barriers currently other than the ones in your own head. You can switch back and forth right now, for free. How long does it take to switch specs? How long does it take to re-allocate skill points and drag some abilities/gear around? 60 seconds?

The fact is you can do what you want to do in game right now, its just not as slick and convenient as YOU and a few others would like. For mer personally and many, many other players the current system does what it says on the tin. Could it be improved? Sure. Is is broken? No.

I personally dont like the idea of the entire game being driven by menus, lobby's and gear switching screens. Makes the game feel more like an FPS iand less like a MMORPG mo.

Driz
I get you can still use the system and it works that's fine. The problem is that the technology to release a better system is out there yet they refused to do it, and made a system which is just unnecessarily inconvenient.
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