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Don't get Discouraged by Jerks in PUG FP's or OPS

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Elyssandra

01.30.2013 , 12:57 PM \| #81	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by LogicalPremise I used to think that until I tried it. Takes about 3 days worth of dailies (which you need for cash to aug your gear anyway) and a couple of hours of reviewing a youtube video if you really aren't familiar with the mechanics. To me (and this is just my opinion) it's just being respectful -- if you know you're a fresh 50 you do what you need to in order to make sure you are successful and that people don't have to carry you. Agreed. Consideration goes both ways. If you want others to be considerate to you, be considerate of them. The other day I ran a KP SM for giggles. We had a sent who had never done it before and only had about thirty mins to play - why queue up for an ops if you don't have the time and will just ditch the group midway? We had a VG DPS join us running in ion cell who when we asked why he was in ion cell he didn't respond. Another person pointed out that ion cell is tanking stance and he goes "Really?". When we all said yeah really... he goes "I've always played like this". To be fair he did then randomly change his cell to the other two for the remainder of the ops. Another clever person dinged 50, queued up for LI HM without making the minimum of effort to find out what it is, got promptly kicked and then posted on forums in a righteous wrath claiming those who kicked him were unskilled and that's why they kicked him. When people on forums pointed out that the kickers were right - he needed better gear before queuing , he and those who tend to think everyone but the player involved should make an effort came to the obvious logical conclusion that any intelligent person would reach.... it's the game's fault for letting him queue. But of course... You can't argue with that kind of logic. So best to avoid it. Whether through kicking or leaving.

DrewFromPhilly

01.30.2013 , 01:00 PM \| #82	Quote
I don't do hmfp as often as I used to, but I only ever saw this once. A fresh 50 dps accidentally pulled a skippable mob and the tank flipped out, all caps rant etc. and tried to kick the dps. I told him to shut up, and that if the vote went through I would drop group as well and leave them sitting there waiting on another healer. Vote failed. Tank dropped group, we got a much more sensible tank and finished the fp np....

Kalfear

01.30.2013 , 02:24 PM \| #83	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by jorill Im a scoundrel healer and basically in fp hm i usually give the dps the medpacs for the hot and if they still die when im focusing on the tank then its their own damn fault. On ironfist im willing to bet that they werent even using interrupts. Ive had to heal some really poor groups and ive actually never been called out for healing issues. Been lucky i guess. LOL, I have 50 Sage, Commando, Bounty Hunter, Scoundral healers (yeah yeah, I "THINK" I know the builds hehehe) And it varies for each class of course but I do much the same Sage...up to DPSers to find the AOE placement if ranged (if melleee you can be fairly sure its dropped on mob being fought). Unless Im with uber tank (few friends that REALLY GET IT as tanks) I normally dont have time to single target heal DPSer Commando/BH...little easier as I use my Kolto cloud/bomb for DPSer if required and stay targeted on tank. Ill let the DPSer die before healing them if its a choice between Tank and DPSer getting healed Scoundrel....easiest oif the group, couple slow release med packs are instant cast so not a issue and if they need more they can get around the tank who is targetted for the aoe Case in point though, and many PUG DPS dont get this (and it might also just be me from so many years of MMORPGs where YOU had to control agro yourself) If a DPSer is being damaged beyond the occational area of effect damage THEY ARE DOING IT WRONG I have a buddy, guardian DPS. He LOVES to make my life a living hell when im on as healer or as my useless guardian tank. He will do insanely stupid DPS numbers and steal agro from tank and force tank in group to work to get it back and healer (usually me) to keep his tissue paper behind alive. But heres the thing with that HES A FRIEND and Ive known him ohhhh 10 years now in gaming (DAoC and then here) HES allowed to do that PUGs however are expected to do things the right way Course Im getting more and more cranky with PUGs as of late Last week im doing Black Talon, myself and a trio of guildies. One of them was clearly new and under geared but im ok with that. She did die a couple times but didnt freak out and recognized one time I did try to keep her up and other time I have to make a choice, her or tank, so I always go tank. The tank however was, well he was smart like stick He would instantly jump to next fight and refuse to let me heal up myself Many times I was at like 10% health and because he was a horrible tank I was forced to spend every breaking minute healing him rather then getting to a safe level myself So I asked if he could slow down so I could heal (he instantly jumped to fight) I asked again (again he ignored me and jumped to fight) I asked one last time and again he leapt to fight So I healed myself and stood beside him watching him die so he could NOT misunderstand the message being sent. Truth be told I thought FOR SURE I would get kicked as those 3 were guildies with each other And the tank was FUMING, you could tell by actions and behavior But shockingly I wasnt and have to only assume his two guildies told him he was asked 3 times before allowed to die. We finished BT and sure enough when I said thanks, I only got 2 replies lol! But yeah, you get a bad player, a bad group. Kick the problem if doable Send a message to correct problem (as I did) if doable Or leave yourself and just try luck with next batch There is some good players out there But there is allot of idiots as well Selfish selfish players who think game revolve around them Its just not worth being around Put on ignore and move on Much less stressful that way! When I teach guildies how to behave in HMFPs, these the simple rules I go by Healer, your job is the tank and thats who you prioritize 90% of time DPS, your job is to ASSIST THE TANK. If you are fighting something other then the tanks target (unless told to clear trash mobs), dont whine when you die. Target of Target is MANDATORY for all good DPSer. Tank. Control agro. Simple as that (yeah right, have i mentioned my crappy guardian tank ? LOL). You are not about killing, you are about fight control. Obviously people who play togather can expand on this but for a PUG HMFP, KISS (Keep it simple stupid) is the game plan and good things will come from that.
In regards to lessening F2P and Preferred restrictions In GAMING, as in LIFE, You get what you pay for No game restriction is so dire that $15.00/month will not eliminate it

jorill

01.30.2013 , 03:40 PM \| #84	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Kalfear LOL, I have 50 Sage, Commando, Bounty Hunter, Scoundral healers (yeah yeah, I "THINK" I know the builds hehehe) And it varies for each class of course but I do much the same Sage...up to DPSers to find the AOE placement if ranged (if melleee you can be fairly sure its dropped on mob being fought). Unless Im with uber tank (few friends that REALLY GET IT as tanks) I normally dont have time to single target heal DPSer Commando/BH...little easier as I use my Kolto cloud/bomb for DPSer if required and stay targeted on tank. Ill let the DPSer die before healing them if its a choice between Tank and DPSer getting healed Scoundrel....easiest oif the group, couple slow release med packs are instant cast so not a issue and if they need more they can get around the tank who is targetted for the aoe Case in point though, and many PUG DPS dont get this (and it might also just be me from so many years of MMORPGs where YOU had to control agro yourself) If a DPSer is being damaged beyond the occational area of effect damage THEY ARE DOING IT WRONG I have a buddy, guardian DPS. He LOVES to make my life a living hell when im on as healer or as my useless guardian tank. He will do insanely stupid DPS numbers and steal agro from tank and force tank in group to work to get it back and healer (usually me) to keep his tissue paper behind alive. But heres the thing with that HES A FRIEND and Ive known him ohhhh 10 years now in gaming (DAoC and then here) HES allowed to do that PUGs however are expected to do things the right way Course Im getting more and more cranky with PUGs as of late Last week im doing Black Talon, myself and a trio of guildies. One of them was clearly new and under geared but im ok with that. She did die a couple times but didnt freak out and recognized one time I did try to keep her up and other time I have to make a choice, her or tank, so I always go tank. The tank however was, well he was smart like stick He would instantly jump to next fight and refuse to let me heal up myself Many times I was at like 10% health and because he was a horrible tank I was forced to spend every breaking minute healing him rather then getting to a safe level myself So I asked if he could slow down so I could heal (he instantly jumped to fight) I asked again (again he ignored me and jumped to fight) I asked one last time and again he leapt to fight So I healed myself and stood beside him watching him die so he could NOT misunderstand the message being sent. Truth be told I thought FOR SURE I would get kicked as those 3 were guildies with each other And the tank was FUMING, you could tell by actions and behavior But shockingly I wasnt and have to only assume his two guildies told him he was asked 3 times before allowed to die. We finished BT and sure enough when I said thanks, I only got 2 replies lol! But yeah, you get a bad player, a bad group. Kick the problem if doable Send a message to correct problem (as I did) if doable Or leave yourself and just try luck with next batch There is some good players out there But there is allot of idiots as well Selfish selfish players who think game revolve around them Its just not worth being around Put on ignore and move on Much less stressful that way! When I teach guildies how to behave in HMFPs, these the simple rules I go by Healer, your job is the tank and thats who you prioritize 90% of time DPS, your job is to ASSIST THE TANK. If you are fighting something other then the tanks target (unless told to clear trash mobs), dont whine when you die. Target of Target is MANDATORY for all good DPSer. Tank. Control agro. Simple as that (yeah right, have i mentioned my crappy guardian tank ? LOL). You are not about killing, you are about fight control. Obviously people who play togather can expand on this but for a PUG HMFP, KISS (Keep it simple stupid) is the game plan and good things will come from that. I do throw dps more heals and if its all melee it makes it easier with the aoe heals. I heal them alot more now since im overpowered so my crits are alot bigger but i was doing kaon and each dps was attacking a different elite mob. It gave me an ice cream headache. This is becoming a problem however for ops. As an op healer in hm fp i can make up for mistakes so dps or tank might not know they are doing something wrong but ops are more unfogiving with that especially if you do hm's.

LadyVix

01.30.2013 , 03:52 PM \| #85	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Elyssandra Another clever person dinged 50, queued up for LI HM without making the minimum of effort to find out what it is, got promptly kicked and then posted on forums in a righteous wrath claiming those who kicked him were unskilled and that's why they kicked him. When people on forums pointed out that the kickers were right - he needed better gear before queuing , he and those who tend to think everyone but the player involved should make an effort came to the obvious logical conclusion that any intelligent person would reach.... it's the game's fault for letting him queue. Part of the problem is the erroneous belief held by some that ANY/ALL types of PVE gear are better than any PVP gear. Recently I had a discussion about gear, and was told that Tionese is unequivocally better than the mix of PVP gear I currently wear, because "it's made for PVE," and that If I use PVP gear to run any hard mode flashpoint, I'll fail miserably, the party will wipe, and I'll probably get kicked. With that in mind, I went to the Tionese vendor and compared how much of an improvement Tionese would be for me. Switching would result in: +97 Power -465 Armor -222 Endurance -225 Cunning -61 Accuracy -139 Crit -53 Surge -13 Alacrity -162 Tech Power -65 Mainhand max damage -35 Mainhand min damage -65 Offhand max damage -35 Offhand min damage Despite those numbers, some people still believe that being classified as "PVE armor" magically makes it better than anything else. ************ For comparative purposes, switching to full Black Hole gear would result in the following: -24 Armor +106 Endurance +13 Cunning -37 Power +148 Crit +4 Alacrity +61 Surge -37 Accuracy

zXBurntToastXz

01.30.2013 , 06:39 PM \| #86	Quote
I must agree, kicking is getting ridiculous. Last night i had a load time of about 1 minute in a fp and i got kicked because they ran in when i wasn't there and got themselves killed (I was the healer)

Rafaman

01.30.2013 , 11:42 PM \| #87	Quote
Yup... kicking is getting worse. And yea... it has nothing to do with f2p. Here are my observations. I think we have a combination of things that contribute to the kick fest. First and foremost, we have players who know the content blindfolded and they fail to see why others do not. So... skipping trash etc. is second nature, but really it isn't for newbies. And the mechanics of fights are straight forward... but for newbies it is complicated. Rather then help, they initiate kicks. They would rather not take the time to teach. They are interested in speed. Everything is a speed run. Add to that the peeps that have no idea what is going on or what is required. For many, this is their first MMO. They do not know the unwritten rules. And how would they know them? In this game running multiplayer content as your are leveling is optional. Many choose not to run much if any, but when they get to 50 they realize that that is all there is. And so, you have newbies going into FPs and Ops clueless. They don't prep because they don't know how. They are new to MMOs. And the final ingredient, the silent majority. There are many experienced players out there that don't care. They vote to kick when asked without asking why. They aren't being callous really. They just don't feel they need to get involved. There you have it. A perfect storm from time to time. But really, I don't blame the newbies, they just need guidance. I hardly ever vote to kick much less initiate it because I remember how it was. Don't get me wrong, there are douchbags that are douchbags game play aside. But many are just looking for friendly advice or instruction. Not insults or a dress down. Just friendly instruction. I am very patient. Maybe to a fault. But I don't mind a wipe. I laugh in group chat then explain what I think we need to do, in general terms. I'll whisper to the newbie to follow me or do this etc. etc. And... I am prepared to carry as much of the load as possible. Typically, I'm over geared these days and I do more than my share. I don't encourage bad strategy or game play as a general rule. I explain how it is supposed to go and hang in there. For me, a PUG, of whatever ilk, is my team. Once we start, I will work assiduously to make the team succeed even if it takes longer or we wipe many times over. My goal becomes the success of the team. I know of no other way to do it. And the results are generally good. I've made many friends and get asked to group with them in future runs. And, thus far, without exception, the next time we run content it is exponentially better. Peeps learn, hell, I learn new things too and we pass it forward. So don't get discouraged by jerks in FPs or Ops. I am far from singular in my point of view. Just hang in there newbies. Vets, have a little patience. It pays off in the long run.

masterwomp

02.03.2013 , 11:22 PM \| #88	Quote
Doing FPs I've been called "the worst tank I have ever seen" twice, once by sage healer who was undergeared and had a hard time healing and another by a commando healer who wanted to speed run and kept running right into the mobs to start the fight because he did not want to wait for the rest of us (part of his douche speed running), now mind you, we finished the HM FP without a hitch, no wipes, but the "gods gift to MMO commando" insisted that the tank (me) was to blame for this successful speed run with no wipes and he did call everyone scrubs at the beginning of the first boss fight so I should have known what a douche he would turn out to be, overall the FP runs have been good considering I don't know all the routes and boss fight strategies which is my fault, watching some youtube videos doesn't require a lot of effort and its the least a player can do to help avoid wiping and gear repairs, I got booted once on LI because the DPS said I was not following strategy so I told him to kick me and he did, no worries, now with that said, if anyone is looking for a geared 50 PVE tank to help in FP and OPS on The Bastion Server then feel free to message me and be ready to communicate some strategy

Admiral_Petty

02.04.2013 , 12:21 AM \| #89	Quote
I have seen some pretty bad behavior as well as noob friendly behavior. I am new to MMOs other than some limited City of Heroes experience. I have had some really helpful players show me the ropes. But I have had other players that were just unnecessarily rude to me and other teammates. For instance, ran a FP with a random group of people. Three of us initially, they invite one more, but they don't wait for him to join us. I ask if we are going to wait for him and the tank just says "no". No reason why, just short. The new guy asks if he should leave, but they tell him just to catch up, not taking into consideration that he could run into any mobs we skipped. He finally catches up and things are going alright until he mentions to the tank that they can use forcepush to knock foes off of cliffs to kill them quicker. The tank proceeds to sit down, saying nothing. We both ask what is going on, no reply. Finally 4 or 5 minutes later the tank finally replies, "you tank since you obviously know so much". After which the group leader kicks the guy. Needless to say I left the group as well, and put those two players on the ignore list. That tank in particular was particularly obnoxious, I could see that behavior more had the guy been rude back, but he just gave friendly advice, which the tank started using once they kicked him. Also spacebarring people get under my skin, especially when they spam chat, they should specify speed run or spacebarring run ahead of time, because I play for the story, not for gear and xp runs, I prefer to take card of my gear needs through crafting anyhow. Now I actively let people know that I will not be spacebarring on missions I have not done before. A little common courtesy goes a long way, and thankfully most people that I have played with have been very nice and helpful.

slafko

02.04.2013 , 01:12 AM \| #90	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by LogicalPremise 3) Tell people you're new! : for the love of God, when someone asks "has everyone run this FP before" , don't remain quiet if you haven't. If everyone is familiar with it, I'm going to assume they know all the skips, where to stand, and what the boss mechanics are -- and if we wipe and you wait until THEN to tell me you are new, people will be understandably angry. This.

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