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No Country for PVP gear.


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NateJB
01.28.2013 , 01:14 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Irxyyy View Post
They should remove the expertise stat from the game altogether, the reasoning behind its existence is flawed anyway.
^This. The problem is that there is a double standard in this game when it comes to gear. As a purely PVE player, though every once in a while I might do a warzone but usually its on pre level 50 toons, if I wanted to to a warzone I would need PVP gear because without the expertise stat I would get slaughtered. In the few times I have done PVP as a level 50 whenever there was someone wearing PVE gear, that person would would be harrassed because they were not in the proper gear even though their PVE gear may actually have bene better stat wise then recruit gear.

We have the same thing with people in PVP gear coming doing HM flashpoints or Operations, yet for some reason its ok for them to not have the proper gear. What gives? The only solution to this problem is to completley remove the expertise stat from all PVP gear. That way if you prefer to PVP or PVE, you will be able to earn gear from the activity you find most enjoyable and still be able to do the other without trying to alienate anyone because they don't have the right gear.

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CommanderKeeva
01.28.2013 , 03:00 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by NateJB View Post
^This. The problem is that there is a double standard in this game when it comes to gear. As a purely PVE player, though every once in a while I might do a warzone but usually its on pre level 50 toons, if I wanted to to a warzone I would need PVP gear because without the expertise stat I would get slaughtered. In the few times I have done PVP as a level 50 whenever there was someone wearing PVE gear, that person would would be harrassed because they were not in the proper gear even though their PVE gear may actually have bene better stat wise then recruit gear.

We have the same thing with people in PVP gear coming doing HM flashpoints or Operations, yet for some reason its ok for them to not have the proper gear. What gives? The only solution to this problem is to completley remove the expertise stat from all PVP gear. That way if you prefer to PVP or PVE, you will be able to earn gear from the activity you find most enjoyable and still be able to do the other without trying to alienate anyone because they don't have the right gear.
No, it's the worst thing they could do actually. It might sound good at first (universal gear) but it really isn't. Removing Expertise is a terrible, terrible idea.

Think about the PvE gear gap at lvl50! Think about the stat difference between stock Tionese and augmented/optimized Dread Guard! Why does nobody ever complain about the gigantic gear gap in PvE? Because NPCs don't care if they get one-shot. In PvE you can choose a gear-appropirate challenge.

PvP is a big melting pot where the people in the worst gear are thrown against the people in the best gear. it is NOT a gear appropriate challenge. Fresh 50s in stock Recruit have a hard time as it is against augmented and optimized elite war heroes. Can you imagine optimized DG players smashing Recruits for 10k? The gear gap in PvP needs to be artificially small. Which means PvP gear will fall behind PvE gear eventually statwise.

Also, to keep the PvP gear gap small, they need to remove the previous tier, when a new one is rolled out (e.g. Centurion, Champion, Battlemaster). The only way universal gear would work if they removed previous PvE tier sets, when a new tier is rolled out. Can you imagine EV Story Mode suddenly dropping Black Hole gear, when a new PvE tier comes out? Then EV Story dropping Dread Guard at a new tier to keep the gear gap small for PvP'ers? Ridiculous, isn't it?

It is a bit unfair that PvP gear is good enough for most of the endgame PvE content. But as the gear gap grows between PvE and PvP tiers, you'll see that PvP gear in PvE becomes less and less viable. TFB HM is borderline at best in PvP gear but Denova Nightmare is simply impossible in PvP gear no matter how good you are. And the situation will become worse as the gap widens between the two gear sets.

So, what I say they should do is make PvP-gear PvP only and PvE gear PvE only. It should become disfunctional when not worn in the intended environment. This would forever settle the debate on Expertise and would force everyone to grind two sets of gear. It's the most fair way for everyone.

EDIT: Remove the ability to craft BiS PvE gear from PvP crafting materials. Seriously, it's ridiculous......Most of my PvP friends who never stepped foot in an Operation have better PvE gear than I have, and I raid three times a week.
BiS PvE gear from 875 Warzone(!!!!!!) commendations? Stop this madness now!
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Irxyyy
01.28.2013 , 11:55 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by CommanderKeeva View Post
I can think of a few possible ways to go about PvE/PvP gearing discrepancy but removing Expertise altogether would be a very, very bad idea. We need to keep the gear gap in PvP artificially small. Can you imagine the havoc people would wreak with ~2500 main stat and ~1000 power against fresh 50s at 1200-1300 main stat and ~500 power? NPC mobs don't complain when they get one-shot. People do.
You think 15% bonus from recruit gear helps that much, especially considering you loose hp and other stats from tion (I also wasn't subbed when they decided to give full free sets of recruit/tion on lv.50, looks like a very weird move)?

The only real reasoning for exp from players is 1) pve crowd: "hey, I don't want pvpers in my fp/op, its not fair how they got their gear!!!" 2) pvp crowd: "hey, I don't want pve'ers in my pvp, its not fair how they got their gear!!!!" - both opinions are obviously stupid. And devs are like: "what a good idea, now those idiots have to grind for 2 sets instead of one artificially extending 'quality' endgame!"

Anyway I played TSW for the past several months which has no exclusive pvp stat on pvp gear and it works just fine, I can play both pvp and pve to get my gear and I haven't seen anybody complaining.
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LastWizard
01.29.2013 , 12:12 AM | #44
My primary damage is 1111-1313 and that's because I wear PvP gear. My gear is better than rakata gear. If you honestly think columi is better, you're clearly unsuccessful at fp's and maybe PvP.

Funniest thing happened to me, I didn't want to put my PvE gear on for lost island, and there was a rakata assassin throwing a tizi because I didn't want to wear my PvE gear. So I suggested we get in mox for every boss fight and he told me he'd beat me every time. The first fight I did 278k and he was far below. He was blaming the circle choosing/placement on his dps. The second fight I did 15k more and he blamed procs for me winning. The last boss o did 345k and he did 275k. He quit the group and put us on ignore. After telling me luck was on my side. Gear is important I understand, but look at the player before you complain about him wearing WH gear.

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Keypek
01.29.2013 , 10:32 AM | #45
For group finder pve I could care less as long as people know what they are doing or capable of saying they don't and then listening to instructions. Anything you can queue for in groupfinder is easy enough to do in any gear with some exceptions to LI and KP depending on the other people in the group's gear makeup and even those don't matter if everyone knows what they are doing.

But if having a tank in WH gear queue up for a FP makes my wait time shorter for a pop I'm all for it. Having to heal a little more or cc a little more is worth the swap of not having to wait for tanks to queue up.
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LastWizard
01.29.2013 , 10:40 AM | #46
TFB HM, EC HM, and NiM EC are no places for PvP gear, besides relics of course. Everything else WH gear is fine.

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dipstik
01.29.2013 , 12:45 PM | #47
i dont mind them doing pve in pvp gear since i pvp in my pve gear. i just pvp to reverse engineer stuff for stabs and get elite war hero relics.