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The Fate of the Sith Emperor isn't all that it seems to be?

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The Fate of the Sith Emperor isn't all that it seems to be?

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Beniboybling
01.27.2013 , 06:48 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Yeah, no Op or FP. I think a novel would be a good way to conclude his story. If they did it ingame, I would like to see the Consular do it. That or the Warrior.

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^It's not the greatest idea, but it would be interesting to see.
TBH I'd rather see is focused on just one class. Once you get all the classes involved its gets complicated (these guys can't meet remember) makes the story repetitive and removes the possibility of other class stories. Also is would be a bit weird concerning the Smuggler and the Bounty Hunter. Yes, nobody want's the galaxy to be destroyed - but it just doesn't fit with the 'mood' if you like of their story.

And yeah, out of game is the best. I think in-game it would be cool if the Sith Warrior had to collect all the pieces of the Emperor together to restore him back to life or something... or any SE quest focused on the Emperor. Or, maybe the SW collects his pieces, but learns of his mad plans to destroy the galaxy. And then theres a light side dark side choice at the end deciding whether to keep him alive (in return for great power) or destroy him.

But then, concerning a novel, it may mean giving the 'heroes' canon identities - which would anger a lot of people. And kinda of irk me personally. So who, other than the heroes could destroy the Emperor? Maybe it is best to leave it to one in-game class quest...

But then who would replace him? Maybe the Dark Council could make the Emperor a sort of myth and keep everyone believing, while Darth Marr leads from the helm instead.

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Aurbere
01.27.2013 , 11:36 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
TBH I'd rather see is focused on just one class. Once you get all the classes involved its gets complicated (these guys can't meet remember) makes the story repetitive and removes the possibility of other class stories. Also is would be a bit weird concerning the Smuggler and the Bounty Hunter. Yes, nobody want's the galaxy to be destroyed - but it just doesn't fit with the 'mood' if you like of their story.

And yeah, out of game is the best. I think in-game it would be cool if the Sith Warrior had to collect all the pieces of the Emperor together to restore him back to life or something... or any SE quest focused on the Emperor. Or, maybe the SW collects his pieces, but learns of his mad plans to destroy the galaxy. And then theres a light side dark side choice at the end deciding whether to keep him alive (in return for great power) or destroy him.

But then, concerning a novel, it may mean giving the 'heroes' canon identities - which would anger a lot of people. And kinda of irk me personally. So who, other than the heroes could destroy the Emperor? Maybe it is best to leave it to one in-game class quest...

But then who would replace him? Maybe the Dark Council could make the Emperor a sort of myth and keep everyone believing, while Darth Marr leads from the helm instead.
I think the Emperor's death would destroy the Empire. The Dark Council would squabble over who should be Emperor, leading to a battle between all of them. The Sith have always fallen apart without a strong leader, and start killing each other to get a chance to rule, hence the Rule of Two. Unless Marr puts the entire Council in its place, the Dark Council is going to be destroyed. Which pretty much beheads the Empire.

I don't know, but it will be interesting to see how it all ends. I wasn't there to see how Galaxies ended (though I would probably end up back on my moisture farm like the good Uncle Owen I am ), so I intend to stick around for the finale.
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_biddan_
01.27.2013 , 03:51 PM | #13
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When the time will come and the last strike will be dealt to the Emperor, it should be
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Who's doing it.
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it would fit incredibly well with a light sided sith too,saving the galaxy and trying to re-create the empire forging a long lasting peace?yes please.
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Selenial
01.27.2013 , 04:25 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
. Then you've got to consider what this means for the Sith Empire. Who would then be leaderless, who will replace him? What chaos will it wreak? Does this mean the Empire has lost? etc etc.
Oh come on beni, you of all people should know better than that.
The emperor is a puppethead. The Dark Council controls the empire, THEY are the leaders. The emperor is something to rally behind, but he controls nothing. He sits off in the unknown plotting to destroy the galaxy. That is all he does anymore.
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Selenial
01.27.2013 , 04:45 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
I think the Emperor's death would destroy the Empire. The Dark Council would squabble over who should be Emperor, leading to a battle between all of them. The Sith have always fallen apart without a strong leader, and start killing each other to get a chance to rule, hence the Rule of Two. Unless Marr puts the entire Council in its place, the Dark Council is going to be destroyed. Which pretty much beheads the Empire.

I don't know, but it will be interesting to see how it all ends. I wasn't there to see how Galaxies ended (though I would probably end up back on my moisture farm like the good Uncle Owen I am ), so I intend to stick around for the finale.
Honestly, i think they would manage.
Even with the emperor there is mass infighting in the dark council...
Without the emperor, i'd see Mortis, basically in charge of law, or Marr take the lead. That or Darth Knox and the Wrath together.
If thats not possible, Knox. Pyramid of ancient knowledge seems like something an emperor would be the head of, and shes probably the most powerful other than the Wrath...
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FoolsErrand
01.27.2013 , 09:02 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial View Post
Oh come on beni, you of all people should know better than that.
The emperor is a puppethead. The Dark Council controls the empire, THEY are the leaders. The emperor is something to rally behind, but he controls nothing. He sits off in the unknown plotting to destroy the galaxy. That is all he does anymore.
But symbols are powerful things. They can grant hope in the darkest hour, or crush that hope from ever forming, and they can bind things together either from great respect or great fear.

I would also argue that whatever the emperor wants, he gets. Just because a manager runs a store for the owner, doesn't mean the owner can't get rid of him and put someone else in that runs it more to the owners liking. Same holds true for the Emperor, he doesn't micromanage his empire, he gets a bunch of guys to run it for him, but if those guys get delusions of emperorhood or start doing things he really doesn't like, then they wind up greasy stains on the floor and he gets a new guy to fill the spot.


Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial View Post
Honestly, i think they would manage.
Even with the emperor there is mass infighting in the dark council...
Without the emperor, i'd see Mortis, basically in charge of law, or Marr take the lead. That or Darth Knox and the Wrath together.
If thats not possible, Knox. Pyramid of ancient knowledge seems like something an emperor would be the head of, and shes probably the most powerful other than the Wrath...
The mass infighting serves a very good pupose, as long one's minions are busy fighting among themselves then they're too busy to join up to challenge you. Also, the fighting keeps your minions sharp, the weak or stupid die and are replaced by new minions, who either keep up or join their predecessor in the corpse pile. All of which works to the advantage of a Sith Emperor.

Of course with the Emperor dead it creates a power vaccum, and sith being sith will try to fill that power vaccum. Remember, loyalty isn't strong with Sith and none of the Dark Council would willing bow to another one. Only reason they bowed to Vitiate was because he could reduce them to a greasy spot with a thought, that and the fact that he had an army of super strong brainwashed minions ready to die for him.

So a power struggle would likely have several members killed, with the rest splitting of and using their individual powerbases against one another leaving them vulnerable to who? The Republic. If left to their own devices a leader might emerge to unite them again, but there's no way the Republic will give them that time. (though, of course, limited factions would survive, though too individually small to challenge the Republic head on)
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DAWUSS
01.28.2013 , 07:20 AM | #17
I think the SW could prop up the Phantom Emperor for a time considering his (or her) role as the Emperor's Wrath. The SW's problem arises when the new Voice takes over and the two happen to be at odds.


As for the Dark Council, infighting is inevitable, with or without the Emperor's attempted intervention. You had Darth Malgus start his own faction, FCOL. You'd have Darth Marr and possibly Darth Imperius/Occulus/Nox trying to keep the peace for the good of the Empire only to fail to everyone else's power grabs. Infighting ruins the Empire and the Republic comes out on top.


Although, the Empire has lasted a long time, so the Emperor must have been doing something right over all those centuries...

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DarthAnaethil
01.28.2013 , 08:57 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Well that's actually not the case, this is:
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Does this mean the Emperor is coming back? Maybe, Hood also suggests the Emperor may be still alive in some sort of spiritual form. But if the Emperor does 'return' I don't think it will be in a corporeal form.

Here's a thought. What if Chapter 4 of the Sith Warrior storyline involved tracking down the scattered pieces of the Emperor's essence, which say, had attached themselves to the remaining Children? They could have the Jedi Knight story running parallel to it, or dealing with the effects of the Emperor's return...
the emperor's assumed body was destroyed. That would be the voice. The emperor's TRUE body is alive and well.
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Selenial
01.28.2013 , 11:56 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by FoolsErrand View Post
The mass infighting serves a very good pupose, as long one's minions are busy fighting among themselves then they're too busy to join up to challenge you. Also, the fighting keeps your minions sharp, the weak or stupid die and are replaced by new minions, who either keep up or join their predecessor in the corpse pile. All of which works to the advantage of a Sith Emperor.
Um..... No.
The mass infighting is destroying the Sith from the inside. Lesser Sith team up to destroy more powerful Sith, who in turn is defeated by even lesser Sith. This is a downward spiral that would destroy the sith, and it will. This is the reason the Rule of Two was so successful. Only the stronger could win, there were no allys to help.
Think of this:
Revan was dark lord. Malak destroyed him and declared himself more powerful. Malak rises, revan falls. The lesser takes control from the powerful.

Satele shan once said, "a united sith is a force that cannot be stopped."
But you see, they arent united they backstab, and it is the reason they fall, like all animals must.
Evil is a word used by the ignorant and the weak. The dark side is about survival. It's about unleashing your inner power. It glorifies the strength of the individual.
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Beniboybling
01.28.2013 , 12:00 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthAnaethil View Post
the emperor's assumed body was destroyed. That would be the voice. The emperor's TRUE body is alive and well.
Then how, pray tell, do you explain the words of Hall Hood? Which state the exact opposite of what you are saying.