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Kaggath Tournament - Xizor vs Traya vs Exar Kun

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Kaggath Tournament - Xizor vs Traya vs Exar Kun

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Beniboybling
01.25.2013 , 02:45 PM | #1
“No game of dejarik can be won without pawns...”

Round 2: Prince Xizor vs Darth Traya vs Exar Kun

Welcome to the second and final round of the ‘Kaggath Tournament’ Semi-Finals. A competition pitting the power bases of the iconic Star Wars characters seen in the ‘Kaggath vs Series’ against each other in an epic tournament-style extravaganza.

The last battle, Grievous vs Revan vs G0-T0, was a fierce conflict of conquest and cunning. However eventually the General was led into a trap and destroyed by Revan himself. Yet his triumph was short lived, for G0-T0 sprung his own trap seized an easy victory.

For all those of you aren’t aware, the Kaggath is an ancient rite of the Sith, ‘one part duel, one part large-scale dejarik-match’. The two combatants have full use of their power bases, be it armies, strongholds or fleets, in order to outwit and outmanoeuvre their opponent. The Kaggath is no simple lightsaber duel, although it can come down to one, and the arena can be anywhere: a planet, star system or the entire galaxy.

Before we begin, let’s set out the go over for the Semi-Finals.

  • The arena: the known galaxy.
  • No outside help of any kind, the combatants cannot call upon assets outside their power base, or other prominent powers apart from those listed below e.g. Mandalore the Indomitable, Darth Nihilus.
  • No outside involvement, other powers will not and cannot interrupt or affect the battle, for the purpose of argument they are non-existent.
  • No surrender, fight to the death!
  • No alliances, combatants cannot ally themselves for any period of time with other powers (excluding non-mutual tactical ceasefires etc.)
  • Combatants can wait their opponents out, but not if only one remains.
  • No superweapons, e.g. the Mass Shadow Generator, Dark Reaper, Nihilus.
  • Technology level is universal (unless considered archaic or advanced at the time): blaster fire, armouring, lightsabers etc. are all the same regardless of period, all that matters is size, quantity and power.
  • Use your imagination: obviously these powers existed in a different time frame but let’s just pretend.

Permitted Allies:

Prince Xizor: Guri

Darth Traya: Darth Sion

Exar Kun: Ulic Qel-Droma

So, the combatants: Prince Xizor was a charismatic, cold and patient criminal mastermind. Darth Traya was a master manipulator, highly knowledgeable and skilled with a lightsaber and the Force, she excelled in the use of shatterpoints and could see far into the future. And finally Exar Kun was a fallen Jedi and Dark Lord of the Sith, a master swordsman and immensely powerful in the Force.

Xizor has the assets, reach, influence and wealth of the Black Sun – the most infamous crime syndicate in the galaxy – at his disposal. As well as a vast amount of intelligence, surpassing that of the Galactic Empire. Traya has the forces of Darth Revan’s remnant Empire, including a legion of deadly assassins and Sith, and the infamous impenetrable fortress that is Malachor V. Exar Kun had the strength of his personal Sith Empire which included an army of Massassi warriors, Krath, dark Jedi and Mandalorians. These forces are even more radically different than the last, but who will win?

Let the Kaggath begin!

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Wolfninjajedi
01.25.2013 , 02:47 PM | #2
You might just wanna remove Xizor from this completely, I like him but even he has no chance against Kun(which is gonna be shown when Aurbere shows up). Traya? A different story.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

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Beniboybling
01.25.2013 , 02:48 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
You might just wanna remove Xizor from this completely, I like him but even he has no chance against Kun. Traya? A different story.
*shrug* I'm inclined to agree. But he can at least be used as an unwitting pawn...

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Aurbere
01.25.2013 , 03:03 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
You might just wanna remove Xizor from this completely, I like him but even he has no chance against Kun(which is gonna be shown when Aurbere shows up). Traya? A different story.
I wouldn't say Xizor is completely useless (though the scenario that I will provide will make him such). And Traya isn't going to be as difficult for Kun as people may think.

Basically, Exar Kun wins. Will expand in another post.
Added Chapter 29 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Wolfninjajedi
01.25.2013 , 03:38 PM | #5
The only thing Kun really has going against him, is the lack of fleet details. Everything else, he can just steamroll over the other two.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

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Maaruin
01.25.2013 , 03:41 PM | #6
Even if Darth Traya and Xizor would be allowed to ally, Exar Kun would win. He would send Ulic and his forces against Xizor. Krath+Mandalorians+Massassi will overwhelm everything the Black Sun can buy. Kun will go to Malachor and kill Traya. He is the superior duellist and the superior Force user. And he always finds a way around guards etc to confront people directly.
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
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Beniboybling
01.25.2013 , 03:56 PM | #7
I don't think Exar Kun is going to be 'steam rolling' over anyone. An arrogant, rash, power-hungry Sith Lord is going to charge into the fray without a second thought. Cunning and manipulative Xizor and Traya just have to get out of the way and then shoot him from behind... but we shall see.

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Aurbere
01.25.2013 , 03:58 PM | #8
Analysis time! (unbiased, but truthful)

Exar Kun:

Troops- Exar Kun has a vast array of troops including: The Krath and their War Droids, The Mandalorians and their Basilisks, and the Massassi Warriors. Each of these troops have been able to vanquish armies of Jedi.

Troop numbers- Exar Kun's legions numbered in the millions. He had the entire Empress Teta system as a capable army, their millions of war droids, the Mandalorians, and hordes of Massassi Warriors. The overwhelming ferocity and numbers overwhelmed the Republic and carved a path to Coruscant itself.

Elite Troops (why aren't the Mandos in this category? )- Exar Kun led a cult of Sith Lords that could hold their own against very powerful Jedi. Exar Kun was also a skilled Alchemist and could use his knowledge of Sith Sorcery to create an endless army of Sith War Beasts, including the Terentatek.

Starships- Exar Kun commanded the entire fleet of the Empress Teta System, as well as the Mandalorian fleets and stolen Republic vessels.

Specialty Starships- Exar Kun employed powerful vessels as apart of his Navy. These powerful vessels included Chaos Fighters and Basilisk War Droids. These two specimens were capable of taking down heavy frigates quite easily (though the Chaos Fighter was far more effective)

Infrastructure- Exar Kun's Empire was born from war, and its infrastructure focused entirely on the war effort. His infrastucture was based around the Empress Teta system and included Koros Spaceworks, The Carbonite Guild and the system itself. The planet Empress Teta was very much like Coruscant and had an incredible economy, allowing Kun to fund his war. Kun's Empire also incorporated the economy and infrastructure of the Mandalorians. The Mandalorians and Ulic Qel-Droma incorporated several technological enhancements to the relatively out-dated Krath weaponry, which allowed the Krath to increase their fightning ability.

Loyalty- Exar Kun's troops were bound to his will, fanatically loyal to their Dark Master and his apprentice. The Mandalorians were honor-bound to serve Ulic Qel-Droma. The Krath were enthralled by the Sith Lords and their power. The Massassi Warriors were twisted to the Dark Side and were bound to Exar Kun's will.

Capacity for war- Exar Kun's war was galaxy-wide and powered by the infrastructure of the Empress Teta system. His forces spread like wildfire across the galaxy. The Dark Lord need only point to a system and his forces would burn it. The ultimate end to his war was brought about when Ulic Qel-Droma was converted and led the Jedi to Exar Kun's homebase of Yavin, where they were forced to contain the Dark Lord in a Wall of Light, for they were unable to engage him in battle.

Ally- Ulic Qel-Droma was an incredibly powerful Jedi Knight and Sith Lord. As Apprentice to the Dark Lord, Exar Kun, he served as the Supreme Commander of Exar Kun's Sith Empire and took orders only from his master. Ulic Qel-Droma was an incredibly skilled duelist, capable of holding his own against Exar Kun (before his prime, of course), and he was incredibly powerful in The Force.

The Dark Lord- Exar Kun was the most powerful Sith Lord of his time (ignoring The Sith Emperor, though a battle between the two would be epic). His power in The Force was unmatched and his dueling skills put the Jedi Order to shame. His power and skill allowed him to easily vanquish two of the most powerful Jedi in the Order: Odna-Urr and Vodo Baas.


Darth Traya:

Troops- Traya commanded a legion of assassins and several Sith Lords and Sith Soldiers. These troops were servants of the Dark Side.

Troop numbers- While the numbers are unknown, the majority of Traya's forces are assassins. But she does have enough forces to attack small fortresses and lightly defended strongholds.

Elite Troops- Traya's Academy houses many Sith Lords, Marauders, and Elite Sith Soldiers. These forces were enhanced by the Dark Side nexus that is Malachor V.

Starships- Traya commands the remnants of Revan's Sith Empire, giving her access to several Interdictor-class cruisers. These starships were led by the powerful Centurion-class cruiser: The Ravager. The Ravager is an incredibly powerful cruiser that will constitute the backbone of Traya's war effort.

Infrastructure- Traya's powerbase is centered around the Trayus Academy on Malachor. From here the Lord of Betrayals commands her forces. Traya's powerbase is a mobile one, to a point. She risks defeat if she leaves Malachor.

Loyalty- Traya's forces have been broken by the Darkness of Malachor V and have been bound to her will. They are loyal to Darth Revan's master and will do her bidding.

Capacity for war- Traya wages war on a different scale from most. Her war is in the shadows. Her forces make hit and run strikes on her enemies, while her assassins silently move about behind enemy lines. However, if her forces were to be presented with full-scale war, she doesn't have the proper capacity to wage it. In the end, though, her shadow war nearly destroyed the Jedi Order and the Republic.

Ally- Darth Sion is the immortal Sith Lord* who fought alongside Exar Kun and Darth Revan. His fighting skill relies upon his sheer strength and experience, allowing him to beat many opponents. However, his greatest strength is the ability to come back to life. He has used this ability many times to cut down superior opponents when their guard has been lowered.

Lord of Betrayal- Darth Traya is an incredibly powerful Sith Lord, with the knowledge to back it up. She was quite skilled in the use of Sever Force and Force Drain, as well as Force Lightning and Force Scream. She could also see the future by using Shatterpoint. She was also a skilled duelist, utilizing several of the lightsaber forms. She could even telekinetically command three lightsabers to do battle for her.


Prince Xizor: Don't know very much about Xizor other than his extraordinary wealth. Doesn't exactly constitute a powerbase, but he could just buy whatever he needs.


*Does Exar Kun get his Sion? Sion was one of his students during the Great Sith War.
Added Chapter 29 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Aurbere
01.25.2013 , 04:00 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
I don't think Exar Kun is going to be 'steam rolling' over anyone. An arrogant, rash, power-hungry Sith Lord is going to charge into the fray without a second thought. Cunning and manipulative Xizor and Traya just have to get out of the way and then shoot him from behind... but we shall see.
You could not be more wrong. Exar Kun was a cunning Sith Lord. He was very smart. He isn't going to just charge in. He's a very good strategist.

And no one is going to shoot Kun from behind. He was incredibly powerful in the Sense family of Force abilities, so his precognitive abilities are quite good.
Added Chapter 29 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Beniboybling
01.25.2013 , 04:16 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post

Lord of Betrayal- Darth Traya is an incredibly powerful Sith Lord, with the knowledge to back it up. She was quite skilled in the use of Sever Force and Force Drain, as well as Force Lightning and Force Scream. She could also see the future by using Shatterpoint. She was also a skilled duelist, utilizing several of the lightsaber forms. She could even telekinetically command three lightsabers to do battle for her.

*Does Exar Kun get his Sion? Sion was one of his students during the Great Sith War.
Forgive me for being pendatic, but shatterpoint was not what gave Kreia visions of the future. Shatterpoint merely allowed her to percieve fractures in people and the fabric of the galaxy itself, so she could create a 'echo' at the right time to have resounding effects across the galaxy. This was perhaps why her shadow war was so effective, I expect she knew exactly where to strike. (just me rambling there )

Her ability to see the future is simply precognition.

And no, Kun does not get Sion - what would be silly now wouldn't it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
You could not be more wrong. Exar Kun was a cunning Sith Lord. He was very smart.

And no one is going to shoot Kun from behind. He was incredibly powerful in the Sense family of Force abilities, so his precognitive abilities are quite good.
Well, IMO Exar Kun is rather brutish and uncoordinated. I'm open to a different view but this is just the image I got from him from learning about the Great Sith War (from the feet of the great Historian! ). All his lackeys (Ulic, Mandalore, the Ketos etc) seemed to do the planning, the strategies, the campaigns. He just unleashed them on the galaxy, to busy coveting dark side power. Then suddenly the Republic turn up on his doorstep, and he's all like 'wha wha whaaat!'

In terms of tactical skill I'd rank him below most, certainly below Revan. Comparing the Great Sith War and the Jedi Civil War, it is obvious which one was tactically superior.

But please, fight me! You seem to disagree so you must have good reason.

And another thing. Analyzing armies and fleets is all well and good, but I think in this situation we can jump to scenarios and endgame. Much like G0-T0, Traya and Xizor are playing on a different level (not necessarily a 'higher' level) to Exar Kun. These powers are not going to fight each other head on. Not even Traya. For them its all about the endgame.