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Anyone else think the Clone Wars portrays certain things wrongly?

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Anyone else think the Clone Wars portrays certain things wrongly?

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Thylbanus
01.25.2013 , 12:35 PM | #21
On the subject of the viability of so much happening in a 3 year timespan, I was thinking of the math of it all. In Galactic Standard time 1 year has 12 months of 35 days each separated into 7 5 day weeks. So to expand that it is 3 years, 36 months, 252 weeks, 1260 days. If each episode constitued one week (just for arguement sake, much of the time overlaps, is congruent, or even predates some episodes in the form of flashbacks, etc. Some episodes are shorter, some longer), this show could run another 6 seasons. Saying they take 2 weeks, it still would have one more season to go.

So doing the math really doesn't seem so out of place. I did think it was a shoe horn, but now, it is conceivable. We must also remember many of these episodes take place in a single day, some even have one day broken down over multiple episodes. Personally I would like to get a list together of all the episodes and guestimate the length of time each one is. I'm not THAT big of a fan to do so, but if any of you are out there, please post it.

Personally I feel it lies somewhere in between one and two weeks average.
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YoshiRaphElan
01.25.2013 , 12:47 PM | #22
The clone were not murderous animals -- and they always had emotions, personalities, and the like. Like others have said, if they wanted mindless they would've used droids. They only killed the Jedi because "Order 66" means the Jedi betrayed the Republic. The clones were duty-bound to serve the Republic, not the Jedi. They were friends with the Jedi, and they were loyal to the Jedi, sure, but that's because the Jedi were fellow servants of the Republic -- even fellow soldiers. Some clones didn't like Jedi, and in fact they strongly disliked them (number one example is Commander Faie, who served under Quinlan Vos). But most of them were comrades and friends. In fact, one clone commando married his General! And they weren't mindless drones: they had choice, but they chose to execute the Jedi out of loyalty to the Republic. This is evidenced by the fact that some of them spared the Jedi.

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mylegs
01.25.2013 , 01:10 PM | #23
I think the reason for the inconsistencies is because most of the clone wars series is based around Anakin and Obi-wan. Rex is loyal to Anakin but as we saw when the other jedi took over in season 4, he will serve the republic first. Cody is friends with Obi-wan but he keeps to the code and still stays strict. Even in this show you still see clones complain about how the jedi operate. Only clones that i see make major emotional changes is the 501st (anakin's clones) and thats probably cause Anakin doesnt follow the jedi teachings and creates attachments.

As for Anakin being a better leader in this series, I think it fits with the movies perfectly. In episode 3 Anakin is put on the jedi council, and dont think the rest of the jedi would agree to that unless anakin at least showed some leadership skills. Also war is Anakin's element so theres not reason for him to whine compared to him in meeting.

-side note I believe Captain Rex is next to Anakin/Vader during Knightfall

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TalonVII
01.26.2013 , 02:12 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by mylegs View Post
I think the reason for the inconsistencies is because most of the clone wars series is based around Anakin and Obi-wan. Rex is loyal to Anakin but as we saw when the other jedi took over in season 4, he will serve the republic first. Cody is friends with Obi-wan but he keeps to the code and still stays strict. Even in this show you still see clones complain about how the jedi operate. Only clones that i see make major emotional changes is the 501st (anakin's clones) and thats probably cause Anakin doesnt follow the jedi teachings and creates attachments.

As for Anakin being a better leader in this series, I think it fits with the movies perfectly. In episode 3 Anakin is put on the jedi council, and dont think the rest of the jedi would agree to that unless anakin at least showed some leadership skills. Also war is Anakin's element so theres not reason for him to whine compared to him in meeting.

-side note I believe Captain Rex is next to Anakin/Vader during Knightfall
Your second paragraph is incorrect. Anakin was placed on the council because Palpatine ORDERED it. Not because the council wanted him there...yet. They felt he still had much to learn. Hell they didn't even make him a jedi master when he was put on the council.

Your logic is flawed.
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01.26.2013 , 02:38 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by TalonVII View Post
Your second paragraph is incorrect. Anakin was placed on the council because Palpatine ORDERED it. Not because the council wanted him there...yet. They felt he still had much to learn. Hell they didn't even make him a jedi master when he was put on the council.

Your logic is flawed.
Actually, you are incorrect. Palpatine ordered it, but the Jedi Order is under no obligation to follow it. They placed him on the Council for their own reasons, political or otherwise. The Jedi Order serves at their own discression and the Chancellor has no say in their dealings.
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01.26.2013 , 08:50 AM | #26
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im glad anikan is not a whiny brat i feel it would of ruined the show of he was, and remember we do not see rex in the films so i do not think he does order 66
Isn't Rex one if anakins boys? if so I imagine he would have been one of the clones that attacked the temple and besides order 66 was issued to stop the Jedi if the Jedi turned on the republic, so I am sure the clone would kill the Jedi if it means protecting the republic
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kirorx
01.26.2013 , 08:54 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by TalonVII View Post

Seriously, TCW just dumps on SW in general.
I think the prequels dumped on starwars and shows like clone wars and some of the eu have to work damage control. Lets not forget the continuity errors and making anakin space jesus
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Aitix
01.26.2013 , 11:47 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by TalonVII View Post

And to top it off, The actual war, only lasted 2 years, but they are cramming all this stuff into the show. AND, Anakin NEVER had a padawn in ROTS. So IMO TCW, just completely craps on the entire series of books written between AOTC and ROTS.
First of all, the war lasted 3 years. Second, it spans an entire galaxy and if you think about it, the arcs only focus on certain battles(out of a million others) and events(out of an increasingly eventful time-period). TCW doesn't really cram too much. If anything, it does way too little.

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darthmorbous
01.27.2013 , 05:41 PM | #29
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I'm not saying I don't like the show because I do. It's just, they've done a few things in which make me raise my eyebrows. For example, in the movies, Anakin was a hot-headed, whiny brat who was bordering on selfish. In the CW cartoon, they changed his character completely and make him a respectful master to Ahsoka, as he chastises her a lot for things he'd have done in the movies without a second thought.

Also, the clones bug me because I can't buy into their emotions and individuality since we know the murderous animals they become. Does anyone here think someone like Rex or Cody would willingly murder Jedi with a single order from the Chancellor? I don't believe it at all, as we're shown in the CW, they respect the Jedi and look up to them on the battlefield. Their unique personalities prove they could easily reject Order 66 and not become cold-blooded animals, yet as we're shown in the ROTS, they purge Jedi and even murder younglings at the Jedi Temple!

Which brings me to my last point in the rant. The Jedi youngling arc just recently shown in season 5 made me a little uneasy; I know they probably don't grow up to be Padawans as they could very well be murdered by Anakin (now Vader) in the Jedi Temple! It made me a little sad, as we attach ourselves to these characters' emotions, and yet we know what happens in the future and it sort of makes me a little disappointed. I don't know about you, but these are my pet peeves of the show.

If you have anything else I missed, please state your opinions as I like debating these issues with fellow SW geeks lol.

oreder 66 is not an order per se, its a preprogramed protocol imprinted in their brains when they are created.
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01.27.2013 , 05:56 PM | #30
As far as Anakin being whiny, he still is in the Clone Wars. He is constantly defying the council, because he knows better. He tells his padawan to do as he says not as he does. In the first episode(aka the movie), he was assigned Ashoka by Yoda in order to start to change his ways by giving him the responsiblity of being a mentor.

As for the Clones, the Clones are bred to be the perfect soldiers, "following every command without question". In the game "Republic Commando" they had a narrative where a clone explained how Order 66 affected the clones. This particular clone explained how the only thing that kept him and his squad alive was his Jedi commander, Aayla Secura. He said that it was a good thing that the helmets covered thier faces, implying that they cried as they followed the order to terminate thier commander. The clones were not cold blooded killers they were bred to do a job and part of that job was to kill the enemies of the Chancellor.