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Hidden Skill Cap

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Kwich
01.21.2013 , 04:57 PM | #11
Bumped again to warn people..still no action whatsoever from BW.
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DarthVenizen
01.21.2013 , 05:56 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Kwich View Post
Sure you can give out internal details. There are no public laws prohibiting you! The reason you dont is because YOU DO NOT WANT to give them out.
Not true, they MIGHT be able to give out internal details, however something in a CS contract is most likely prohibiting them from doing it.

Even if they were not to have that clause in there it's very poor practice for any game company to give precise dates on things such as this because some other issues could arise that push back the release of the specific problem. They'd get such a storm from people if they were to say "it will be in the very next patch that will be going out on day X" and it were to turn out to have to be pushed back.

It also wouldn't be fraud as it doesn't appear to affect everyone and they have no way of knowing who is actually affected by this issue. Fraud is a very hard thing to have get the charges to stick

I agree that it's a serious issue however to say something like this is being rather ignorant.

I also agree that BioEA's customer service is god awful most of the time but vagueness is usually the way companies address their customers with issues such as this

I do hope this gets fixed rather quickly, while I personally am not affected by it, it would be a pain in the *** if i were
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nimmir
01.21.2013 , 07:39 PM | #13
Out of curiosity, which class are you Kwich and could you please tell us the limit of the skills we can have, if you've actually counted them? Do the passive abilities count as well? Thanks in advance.
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Kwich
01.22.2013 , 11:57 AM | #14
I am a sniper with marksman skill setup.

From my skill tap (if you press p) I have the following skill numbers:

General 8
Imperial Agent 29
Sniper 17
Legacy 21
Companion 115 (Kaliyo-20, Vector-16, Tempel-18, Dr. Lokin-17, Scorpio-17, HK51-16, 2VR8-11)
Vehicles 54
Pets 32
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Total Skills visible: 276

Now we have to speculate about "hidden skills" which are not visible in your skill tap.

These are:
Crewskills (3) or even (9)
Speeder Piloting (3) or maybe just 1
Fleetpass speed up (3) or maybe just 1
Travel speed up (3) or maybe just 1
Warzone exp (5) or maybe just 1
FP Exp (5) or maybe just 1
Space Exp (5) or maybe just 1
Class Exp (5) or maybe just 1
Exploration Exp (5) or maybe just 1
Altruism (3) or maybe just 1
Persuasion (3) or maybe just 1
Crafting (3) or maybe just 1
Leadership (3) or maybe just 1
Rep droid speed up (2) or maybe just 1
Post driod speed up (2) or maybe just 1

I think that the skill system like the "active skills" show will upgrade to the highest version of the skill so I think we should consider the passive boosts from above to be just 1 excluding the crewskills where I am not certain but I think there it is 1 as well per instead of 3 per.

So the hidden skills would sum up to 17 skills which would bring the total to 293.

Maybe I forgot some skills? Maybe HK51 does count as a "skill" as well?

Well altogether we might can think that the skill cap is at 300 total`?

Maybe others can present their numbers as well.

Hope that helps.

Have a great day,

Kwich
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Kwich
01.22.2013 , 12:08 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthVenizen View Post
Not true, they MIGHT be able to give out internal details, however something in a CS contract is most likely prohibiting them from doing it.

Even if they were not to have that clause in there it's very poor practice for any game company to give precise dates on things such as this because some other issues could arise that push back the release of the specific problem. They'd get such a storm from people if they were to say "it will be in the very next patch that will be going out on day X" and it were to turn out to have to be pushed back.

It also wouldn't be fraud as it doesn't appear to affect everyone and they have no way of knowing who is actually affected by this issue. Fraud is a very hard thing to have get the charges to stick

I agree that it's a serious issue however to say something like this is being rather ignorant.

I also agree that BioEA's customer service is god awful most of the time but vagueness is usually the way companies address their customers with issues such as this

I do hope this gets fixed rather quickly, while I personally am not affected by it, it would be a pain in the *** if i were
Well if I have a car that has the tendency to break down after they reached a mileage of 30.000 and I know that and I still sell the car not informing my customers and at the same time run a campain "drive our car to the fullest" with our special milage packages you can buy gas cheaper so you can drive more than this not only fraud but as well stupid.

So your statement it is not fraud is not true because EVERYONE in this game will reach that skill cap if they played enough and achieved enough. SO your statement that not everyone is affected does not lie in the product design which is faulty but in the usage by the customer.
It is like in the above example. People who park this car in their museum or drive just to work with it will never or very late come to the 30k break down point. But people like me who drive long distances are there already.

And it is fraud as well because they know it but do not WARN anyone. It is not even on their official bug list!

And why it isnt on there?? Because if people can not learn the mounts and pets (one of the major selling points of the packs!) than it makes no sense to buy them = less sales for EAware.

Furthermore of course their information policy sucks. Your argument that CS has rules in place which prevent them to say anything might be true but still EAware put those in place so it is THEIR discision to NOT inform THEIR customers.
I wish they would better say "We will fix this problem on 15th of February" and than on 12th of February announce "Sorry folks we run into some technical problems we have to postpone it by 1 week".
We all have sympathy for things that go wrong. But we do not have any sympathy left for bull******** us and leaving us in the dark! If I hear the word "soon" my pulse quadrouples and my blood pressure skyrocks!

What a lame customer information politics! Take a look at Cloud Imperium the company of Chris Roberts making Space Citizens! That is what I call a close connection to its fans and customers. This is modern day embedment of customers into one´s product. There you can see what is on the "wall of crazy" and what will be implemented into the game by choice of the majority of the players.

But well I am just ignorant as you say....p...I just know if I treat my customers like BW "is doing us" (see the pun there? ^^) I would have to look for new employment.

Well have a good one as I have to collect pets for my bank vault now =)

BR,

Kwich
The only thing one has to fear is fear itself! ....... and of course standing in my way.....

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Lokinn
01.22.2013 , 12:46 PM | #16
and yet we still continue to pay for subscriptions , timecards , and "cash shop" items.

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Kwich
01.22.2013 , 01:09 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Lokinn View Post
and yet we still continue to pay for subscriptions , timecards , and "cash shop" items.
My list of achievements is the reason...too much time/effords invested already =)

http://www.reddit.com/r/swtor/commen...ector_hoarder/
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Kwich
01.24.2013 , 05:40 PM | #18
bumped to keep the topic up and warn others
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Cylnael
01.24.2013 , 05:57 PM | #19
They must redesign a part of the database ?

Ok it's The Worst Case Scenario of any big computer prog.

The nightmare generator for any DB specialist.

You're not going to see any fix soon as it means completely reworking the base of swtor i.e. it's database ...

Ho LoL it's a beginner mistake. Not kidding my DB teacher told us so when i was still learning computer science back in the 90s

So, no you won't have any eta other than "soon (tm)" because they have absolutely no clue how to do it without causing major breakdown all over the game ...

Good luck when RotHC comes in, you can kiss your new skill goodbye already.

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Kwich
01.25.2013 , 08:54 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Cylnael View Post
They must redesign a part of the database ?

Ok it's The Worst Case Scenario of any big computer prog.

The nightmare generator for any DB specialist.

You're not going to see any fix soon as it means completely reworking the base of swtor i.e. it's database ...

Ho LoL it's a beginner mistake. Not kidding my DB teacher told us so when i was still learning computer science back in the 90s

So, no you won't have any eta other than "soon (tm)" because they have absolutely no clue how to do it without causing major breakdown all over the game ...

Good luck when RotHC comes in, you can kiss your new skill goodbye already.
If that is the case one more good reason to WARN Peopele and stop adding new pets/mounts.

That is irresponsible business behaviour. And as time goes by more and more people will run into the skill cap.

So again BW ...WARN People if it is indeed a major DB problem and stop selling mounts/pets !

If it is not a major DB problem then why am I waiting now for almost 2 months for the "soon" fix??

Make this topic public, put this severe bug on your list! Some people can not even learn all their skills if they respecc to a skill tree which gives them more skills than the one they had when they reached the skill cap by adding pets/mounts.

Furthermore CS CAN HELP by deleting unwanted mounts/pets to free up room for learninmg skills or the pets/mounts we want more. Why are they not doing this?? Why are my tickets asking them being ignored or I am told to wait for a "soon" patch??

Please all people which reached max skill cap report here so that we can unite!

Thx and br,

Kwich
The only thing one has to fear is fear itself! ....... and of course standing in my way.....