Defensive Cooldown for Sorcerer/Sage

Ye, and its still pretty rare.

But its deffo possible.

a good veng or rage jugg has all the tools necessary to control and dominate a sorc from begining of the encounter to the end

Very good post, thanks for your feedback IceHawk.

5 k deathfields are un realistic

the onyl way to attain this is 7/3/31 or 7/6/28, near bis gear, on a light armor wearer
to me those are both weak builds with poor resource management and survivability

i myself run 7/18/16 with an extra 10% buff to aoe, i have 1260 expertise, 960 bonus dmg and 76% surge ~1920 willpower.. not the best gear but FAR fromt he worst and my deathfields scarcely hit 4k

yes those 2.5k attcks r bringin down the house...what are they again.. deathfield, CL and...crushign darknesses total dmg combined maybe?

guess whats better than 2.5k? a 7k smash, 3.5k force scream and 5.5k vicious throw

guess what else is? 5k rail shot, 5k thermal, 3.5k flame burst.

guess what else is 5k maul, 3-4k shocks (assasin), assasins deathfield as well, 5-6k assasinates and please correct me if im wrong but thrash can smoke 2.5k too

i coudl keep goign.. your just wrong dude, sorcs have the least dmg mitigation, with NO defensive cooldowns with the worst burst in pvp... even a merc if left unfocused crits for larger numbers

i get 5k death fields with 7-3-31. power is 848. crit multiplier is 78.39. willpower is 1848 expertise is 1267

1. Yes it's too much to ask. It should stay high up in lightning.
2. You don't just knockback and stay, you move in the opposite direction.
3. It should stay a lightning tree exclusive. You can get it with Madness at the expense of sacrificing creeping terror. You trade on root for another root. Working as intended.
4. No. Roots are supposed to counter DPS sorcerers, especially madness. Giving egress to everyone, will make sorcerer mobility way too good, and currently sorcerers don't need extra mobility. They already god the force speed CD lowered. Legshot should remain a powerful counter against DPS Sorcerers.
5. If you as a sorcerer plan to melee a PT, you are doing it wrong. No thrash damage buff will save you.

Oh and why would you a single sorcerer would want to counter coordinated attacks on you? I don't see why you should be able to counter 1vsMultiple enemies scenario. This is what your team mates are for, tanks for taunting and guarding, healers for healing, other sorcs for extricating you, as well as everyone for CCing your enemies.

I understand your suggestions are fueled by frustration, but lets keep it within some reasonable balance.

If you want burst and an easy ranged class to play make a sniper. i can do 4 tics of force lightning in 2.8 seconds that crit for 1400. There is burst when you get you're stats right, but if you're playing a sorc for burst than you are wrong. its not the damage problem with sorcs. its staying alive long enough to do damage (skill).

I actually agree with most of these responses. I think sages do need some love in the dps department but it must be done very carefully as to not make them OP. The only thing that I disagree with is the survival talent (bubble stun) being so high up in the tele tree. It should be moved lower in the balance tree, made a mezz and self caster only, we dont have enough defensive cooldowns to deal with coodinated attacks on ourselves, and we are a priority target regardless of spec because of this. Simply put madness/balance is weak survival wise, and the trade off is too much because the dot and damage is not as good as it could be/used to be.

I understand guard/peel heals are important to this class and it works better in a group setting but I do not think its in a great place - simply put we do not have much in the way of mitigation from burst classes if we go madness/balance and this is why people dont see them much in rateds.

If they spec bubble as dps they are giving up alot of effective damage - might look good on the scoreboards in hybrid but this is because its taking you longer to kill stuff.

Madness/balance should be the spec that sages use in a ranked environment if they want to do good pressure dot and dps but its too weak with all the bursty fotm classes around. Force resources are not too bad if you dont rely on project much and no when to duck in out of a fight, pop a medpack, self-heal etc. Still compared to other classes its far to reliant on kiting and you spend alot of time on the move and using los.

Yes I do play it in ranked 7/3/31 - but then on my server (red eclipse) we have an agreement to limit bubble stunning and stacking smash, so this makes it more viable for me.

TLR - not an easy class to play in balance spec, probably not in an ideal place but not as terrible as some people say imo. If buffs are applied to this class they should be applied very carefully. Dont want anything ridiculous.

I just want to explain to the players of other classes why DPS sorc's are in a bad position. As much as most players want it to be, this game cannot be balanced around 1v1's and playing terribads in unranked warzones. In a ranked match a DPS sorc does not have the survivability to live against focus fire. That is fine, no class can survive against focus fire. The issue is that sorcs and sages have the lowest survivability, and therefore they will have the most deaths, and be focused first by any competent team. If that is what bioware wants out of sorcs, then they can make it that way, but we need the burst capabilities to punish people while we are on the battefront. Sustained damage doesn't cut it with the low survivability we have. We bring nothing to the table except a free kill for the other team because we are killed too fast to get our sustained damage going. Do not try and tell me that sorcs are mobile without fadeout either. Any decent coordinated team with focus will not let you move with force speed. You may if lucky get 10 meters away, but that is negated with a pull anyways. A sorc cannot put out enough dps to offset the amount of downtime he/she will have in a ranked warzone.

Some players will try to say that ranked is dead, and a buff to burst will make sorcerers overpowered in unranked, but really, all it will do is force sorcs to be targeted more... just like glass cannons should be... and hell.. maybe players will get better and start focusing...

Also please do not tell me to learn to play. I know how to play my class. I have played it since launch, and I do very well with it. I just want a reason to be on a ranked team when they nerf bubble stuns. I love me some ranked.

There are certain things you cannot combine together within one spec.
Ranged, mobile, burst = you can only pick any 2.