Defensive Cooldown for Sorcerer/Sage

Most of the warzones I play are more about locking things down anyway, single target DPS is nice, but it doesn't help you win the match as much as whole lot of aoe damage.

Still doesn't mean that Sorcs/Sages have burst. That's what they really lack in PvP currently.

I mean look at Powertechs. They are even squishier than Sages (oh yes they are, no knockback, no Force Speed, no escape, no self-heal, no bubble) - with them it's a race to who kills the other first. It's usually the Powertech because their burst is insane.

Sorcs need all the time in the world to set up all those dots to do significant damage and then they need to kite and hide to let those dots do their job. In the current PvP environment, someone will step in, finish off the Sorc while a healer cleanses the dots.

Dunno about full Lightning/Telekinetic, that spec is beyond my knowledge. I tried it once on my Sorc on an Ops dummy, the parse was far more embarassing than what I'd consider sharing.

Not disagreeing with you, just pointing out 4.2k is not the max crit with fob. Full lightning is not good.

5k death fields. plus we have more attacks that do over 2.5k instant damage than most other classes

I don't disagree with anything here ;-)

My point was though, that you shoudn't balance for the average, but for both the average and the top end at the same time. You can replace spec in my post by class and the point remains the same.

You can get away with ignoring balance for the bottom 20% or whatever players because those will usually either get better or quit, but both the casual average player as well as the super elite pros are important in a pvp game, and if a game doesn't work for either one of those the game is in trouble

Also, more on topic, most important buff sages need imo is a ranged auto attack, i can't believe nobody else is bothered by this :-(

Sorcs already got a free healing ability given last patch. How much more do you need?

5k? How it's possible... Please, tell me your stats (crit surge power and willpower)!

How about 5-9k Creeping Terror?

As much as it takes because clearly that one new ability didn't fix the problem at hand.

Thanks for all the replies guys, still reading over everything before I reply to any that may need one.

For those that think that a sorc is this mythical beast that does tremendous damage and can withhold attacks from multiple foes, I'll just say - make one. I know a few of you just come into threads to tell people to learn to play, even when they are classes you never have.

Anyways, I was not talking about sorc dps output and I do agree certain hybrids can put out great damage. In fact that's what I'm playing now... I have chain lightning, I have death field, I got polarity shift, unlimited powah FL, instant whirldwind, knockback roots and bubble stuns, it's great. And it won't last. It won't last because the next time either tree is changed the viability of the hybrid is demolished. I'm not here to ask to balance hybrids or give more survivability to the hybrid.

Bottom line is, I would like to be able to play Madness. And Madness does not have great survivability, and does not do enough damage to compensate for it. That is why they are not allowed in ranked and also why you see full Madness very, very rarely even in regulars. If you think otherwise, we can argue all you want but in the end you're still wrong - madness sorcs are not in a good place and all competitive ranked teams know it.

And that is why I suggested the talent for DR on Preservation be put in the Madness tree, and possibly be added to the talent that reduces DoT damage by 15% for 2 points (what a talent!).