Don't get Discouraged by Jerks in PUG FP's or OPS

Perfect example of not knowing who's playing on the other end.

So when you kick a guy b/c he is a noob or wants to see the cinematics and insult him to boot, think about who might be on the other end.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=588626

I see a decent bit of that. Some people have trouble seeing the markers (graphics issues, camera angle, whatever), some thing the CC marker is actually a burn marker, some don't know what CC means or is (yes, there have been a few). A fairly common issue is Troopers who are semi-new to the game often use Explosive Round (entirely useless at 50, IMO) and don't realize that it has a slight AoE component.
My usual policy is to give people two warnings or so, and then vote to kick if they're causing wipes.

I don't mind helping out people who admit they're new to a FP/OP or that they don't know the fights. I'm perfectly fine with explaining, and I'm even willing to deal with undergeared people. What ticks me off are those that refuse to admit to such..

One night, my guild and I were running an storymode EV op for coms.. we were short a tank, so we GF'd for one. This guy joins and the first thing he says to us (before we can even say hi) is "Yall better be pro." Of course, we're all in our voice chat and chatting with another and as soon as we read that, "This isn't going to go well, is it?"

This DPS finally shows up (he claims he's run 100s of FPs and OPs, but we have to explain to him how to use the shuttle for transport with GF) and he's in a mish-mash of gear of everything from greens to one black hole piece. As soon as he shows up, he runs right into the first fight without even asking if we were ready (we had people go AFK because of how long he took to show up) or even which turret we wanted him on. Thankfully, we're able to hold our own long enough for those that were AFK to come back and managed to down the droid.. in spite of him dying 3 times in the fight. We had to use our combat rez and two stealth rezs just on him (had a shadow and scoundrel).

Afterwards, we ask him again if he's sure he'd done these fights before (since he refused to stack during missile salvo and repeatedly blew up the DPS with the grenade). He responds that "Yes, I'm pro.". Right. Whatever. So we trek on.. and again, he runs right to the first group of trash and aggros it.. but does he stop there? No! He keeps going, right across the bridge to the next group and then the third before he dies.. of course, all those mobs come right back for us, causing a wipe. When we asked "what were you doing?" We're hoping for something like a keyboard key got stuck or something. What is his answer, "I always outrun them." Riiight....

Even with him repeatedly aggroing more than 1 mob, we manage to make it to Gharj. This time, he causes 3 wipes during the fight by taunting Gharj off the main tank and facing him into the raid, and then once by leading Gharj off into the lava. Finally, we use the slightly buggy method of tanking him into the door (in hopes of preventing our errant tank from running off again) and manage to kill him, but of course, our wannabe tank dies in the process. At this point he starts PLEADING to be rezzed, continually. Spamming ops chat every second with "PUUUUHHHLEEEAAAZZZEEEE Rez me!" "Rezzzz!!!". We rez him and loot.. he needs on EVERYTHING, then quits group without a word. After that, one of our other guild tanks had gotten on and we managed to get him in and finish the rest of the op without another wipe.

Now.. my guild is tolerant of newbies.. but please.. if your new, be man enough to admit it and listen to advice.

This is why I hate end-game. I ding 50, then immediately shelve that toon and start leveling the new one. This whole thing just sounds like a second job to me.

I used to think that until I tried it. Takes about 3 days worth of dailies (which you need for cash to aug your gear anyway) and a couple of hours of reviewing a youtube video if you really aren't familiar with the mechanics. To me (and this is just my opinion) it's just being respectful -- if you know you're a fresh 50 you do what you need to in order to make sure you are successful and that people don't have to carry you.

As far as kicking goes, eh. I only kick in FP if we have a person who will not listen.

I can top that!

Last week Shadow infiltration in Sage gear mainly alacrity, with only his belt with defense on it.
Single droid pull at the start of False Emp, he goes down in 2 hits. He had a grand total of 14K HP also.

That was no new player or even a bad one, that was a troll. And you should have kicked him after about the 2nd screw up. He was getting his jolly's off by doing his best to screw the run up and see how many times he can wipe, then ninja the loot.

What's worse is when you get the GF players that want to Speedy Gonzales through everything and end up causing a wipe (or two) b/c the stragglers didn't know where to go usually being noobs.

Then they rage quit. How idiotic? If they would have slowed down and taken the extra time to lead instead of run away, they wouldn't have wasted however much time into the OP or FP they had and now have to wait for another queue group.

Not to mention the time wasted by the people who stayed and having to queue up another member.

It's sooo childish.

Nice try to put words in our mouths, they dont get removed from group because they´re undergeared or new to the content, just because they´re being scumbag and unrespectful which make the run unbearable for the 3 others in group.

That funny thing is that those who often get kicked are usually same those who initiate votekicks for stupid reasons (these voting for kick often get cancelled by the other in groups).


You might playing wrong game, this is a MMORPG game. We other players aint there to just boost you, you have to do your part too. Communication is big part of mmo games, you cant sit there silent and expect others will do all work.

Its fun to mess with some people though. I remember we had a group of people and decided to do SM Op for coms. We were short 1 person so we joined Queue and had a guy join up. Now this guy was a jerk from the get go. Wanting to know if we all knew what we were doing and weren't noobs. The group was all pretty much in 61 gear and some of us mostly 63 gear (Dread Guard). So we tell him dude its SM EV don't sweat it. He goes on and on about how he has had issues with PuGs in SM EV and he wasn't going to waste his whole night wiping over and over. He's sending tells to people asking if they had done it before etc. We were like Dude don't worry just hurry up and get here or travel now so we can get started. Again this pug preaches about how he is not going to carry us through the Op and if we wipe hes leaving yada yada yada.

So we all get together minus Mr. Professional, zone in and land on the planet. Then we all went over to a Yellow Tauntaun and one after the other did a /stuck and just had a pile of dead bodies around this lone Tauntuan. Then we start making comments like Oh wow that was fast....why does it say release to med center I don't want to release...why can't we just rez here...because the mob is still here etc. So Mr. Professional finally arrives and we are still all dead in a pile around this Tauntuan. He comes over and asks what happened? One guy tells him they must have buffed the Tauntaun...it kicked all our arses. The guy immediately drops group and leaves without saying a word....sucker didn't even rez anyone either!

We have a good laugh re-queue fill the spot and finished the op without a single death. Sometimes when a jerk joins...its more fun to mess with them and make them rage quit :P