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Driod rights.


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Surinen
01.19.2013 , 02:55 PM | #51
I'm against regulation of human/xeno rights, so there is no way that droid rights are acceptable by me in any form, they are tools to keep furnaces of the Sith Empire burning
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vladusha
01.20.2013 , 07:07 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by internaty View Post
In star wars there are people in the republic who believe driods shoud have rights and there are people who believe driods are property.

The empire it doesnt mather since a driod is no different from a slave.

I thought lets bring that discussion into the forums:

So long version short.

Do you support driods having rights?
Or do you see them as property.

Tell us your point of view.
Well... there was a droid revolt, the flashpoint directive seven. However it just proves that even droids can be tyrranical dictators because the leader of the droids directly controls all of the droids except for a select few (healer and the bosses) it doesnt matter which species or what they r made of. there will always be a power hungry dictator which will control them and be the reason for their fall
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Thylbanus
01.20.2013 , 10:45 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by MsMalice View Post
Original thought, self-awareness & intelligence on par with that of a human.
So those who are not "on par with that of a human" are ok to enslave? At what range are we speaking of? There are some animals that are smarter that some humans. Predators show adaptation and original thought. The hunt, devise hunting stratagies, learn from their mistakes, modify behavior to suit their prey. That is original thought.

How do you determine self-aware? It's not as simple a definition as you might think. How can you determine self-aware without the ability to communicate? What actions dictate self-awareness, since you have no way to communicate?

The best definition of self-aware that I could find is the Self-Awareness Theory:
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Self-Awareness Theory states that when we focus our attention on ourselves, we evaluate and compare our current behavior to our internal standards and values. We become self-conscious as objective evaluators of ourselves. However self-awareness is not to be confused with self-consciousness. Various emotional states are intensified by self-awareness. However, some people may seek to increase their self-awareness through these outlets. People are more likely to align their behavior with their standards when made self-aware. People will be negatively affected if they don't live up to their personal standards. Various environmental cues and situations induce awareness of the self, such as mirrors, an audience, or being videotaped or recorded. These cues also increase accuracy of personal memory.
By that definition, certain dolphins, apes, and elephants fit that bill. Each are hightly intelligent, beyond that of some humans. Mental retardation, head trauma, psychological disassociative disorders all limit the intelligence of some humans. Are you comfortable enslaving them?

Once you try to define the rights of sentients, what sentience means, it makes is a slippery slope that can, and by some, will be used as a double edged sword.
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pan_sObak
01.20.2013 , 11:44 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Talon_Starfire View Post
It depends on the Droids R2-D2 and Iron Knights yes a machine created to do the same task over & over again no.
Iron Knights are not machines
They they are shards - silicon based aliens (well, sentient crystals) who used a droid body like a vessel or a suit
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pan_sObak
01.21.2013 , 12:07 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by internaty View Post
Do you support driods having rights?
Or do you see them as property.
First: I am not sure that every human should have "rights" say nothing of walking-talking tincans
Second: Everyone has as much "rights" as he can take for himself

if any being (even a droid or a clone or something else) consider itself a sentient and capable being and ready to stand for rights - so it should be

But there are a lot of cases when should be deprivation of civil rights
Droids are easily to be manupulated for example reprogrammed
Or their competents can be not far from that of a 5 year old child
Or simply because of majority security or interest :-)
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