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Current Ops Progression (NMEC/HMTFB)

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Current Ops Progression (NMEC/HMTFB)

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Denchet
01.10.2013 , 05:12 AM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by IAmViiOLENT View Post
I was timing it today, it's 5 and a half minutes in 8 man, but it's worth noting that 16 man has to use 9 DPS (Not 10) for about 2.5x the amount of normal 8 man hp.
Today we managed to just barely beat the enrage with only 3 DPS up from 85% downwards, (Our merc DCed), so I'm thinking that 8 man just isn't tuned as hard for DPS as it could be. Either that or our tanks DPS carries us. Probably the latter
I thought the first kill had 10 dps, 3 tanks, and 3 healers. I did the math and 8 man and 16 man both required the same DPS per person (or at least extremely close) assuming the enrage timers were the same. If the enrage timer was different on 8 man and 16 man then it makes sense that it took them such a long time to beat it.

Damage comparison between 16 and 8 man mode:
16:
3 tanks
3 healers
10 DPS

3,265,395 HP / 10 = 326,539 damage per DPS

8:
2 tanks
2 healers
4 DPS

1,288,301 HP / 4 = 322,075 damage per DPS

Both of these assume the tanks aren't doing any damage. Tank damage should be slightly higher in 16man because they occasionally have two tanks on him at once don't they? Either way, it seems it would be balanced for them both to have the same enrage timer, which it sounds like they do now.

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IAmViiOLENT
01.10.2013 , 11:35 AM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by Denchet View Post
I thought the first kill had 10 dps, 3 tanks, and 3 healers. I did the math and 8 man and 16 man both required the same DPS per person (or at least extremely close) assuming the enrage timers were the same. If the enrage timer was different on 8 man and 16 man then it makes sense that it took them such a long time to beat it.

Damage comparison between 16 and 8 man mode:
16:
3 tanks
3 healers
10 DPS

3,265,395 HP / 10 = 326,539 damage per DPS

8:
2 tanks
2 healers
4 DPS

1,288,301 HP / 4 = 322,075 damage per DPS

Both of these assume the tanks aren't doing any damage. Tank damage should be slightly higher in 16man because they occasionally have two tanks on him at once don't they? Either way, it seems it would be balanced for them both to have the same enrage timer, which it sounds like they do now.
Oooh, you're right. I counted a DPS as a healer. So yeah, it's balanced correctly now

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Chaqen
01.12.2013 , 01:28 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by IAmViiOLENT View Post
I was timing it today, it's 5 and a half minutes in 8 man
Are you sure about this? When we were working on our first kill i timed it at four minutes even and it was still four minutes before i took a break for the holidays. I am wondering if they ninja nerfed the 8 man enrage timer when they nerfed the 16 man.
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IAmViiOLENT
01.12.2013 , 01:33 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by Chaqen View Post
Are you sure about this? When we were working on our first kill i timed it at four minutes even and it was still four minutes before i took a break for the holidays. I am wondering if they ninja nerfed the 8 man enrage timer when they nerfed the 16 man.
Well, ninja nerfed it or accidentally nerfed it. Who knows with BW
Either that or my keyboards timer effed up, or more likely, I did. The enrage seemed awfully long compared to what I had seen before; so we'll have to see eh?

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Denchet
01.12.2013 , 11:02 PM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by Chaqen View Post
Are you sure about this? When we were working on our first kill i timed it at four minutes even and it was still four minutes before i took a break for the holidays. I am wondering if they ninja nerfed the 8 man enrage timer when they nerfed the 16 man.
In our kill video from a few weeks ago, he drops down at 5:23 and dies at 9:08, meaning we would have beaten a four minute enrage timer by 15 seconds. There is no way we could be beating the enrage timer by 105 seconds; on our first kill he actually enraged long enough to attack me once (yay dodge!) and our DPS certainly hasn't been able to shave the kill time by a full 30%. They're good, but not that good.

That being said it could be 5:30 now; I have no way of testing unless our DPS intentionally fails, which we aren't going to do.

Adding 90 seconds seems like way too much of an overnerf to me. You could kill him with 4 walker phases with that long of an enrage.

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shadynut
01.14.2013 , 12:54 AM | #96
We Ordered Silver went through TFB HM to get the screenshots and kill stuff to show that we've done it.

Shot with nameplates
Writhing Horror
Dread Guard
Operator IX
Kephess
Terror From Beyond

Hope that's sufficient. Thanks as always, Denchet!
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Denchet
01.14.2013 , 04:54 AM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by shadynut View Post
We Ordered Silver went through TFB HM to get the screenshots and kill stuff to show that we've done it.

Shot with nameplates
Writhing Horror
Dread Guard
Operator IX
Kephess
Terror From Beyond

Hope that's sufficient. Thanks as always, Denchet!
Updated. Congrats on completing old content for the sake of proving you can beat old content .

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Jedi-Masse
01.20.2013 , 09:18 PM | #98
Momentum, just downed NiM Kephess 8 man. I will see about getting the screen shots for confirmation.
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bjbm
01.21.2013 , 04:15 AM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Jedi-Masse View Post
Momentum, just downed NiM Kephess 8 man. I will see about getting the screen shots for confirmation.
Grats guys. Good to see this thread get an update.

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Darth_Dreselus
01.21.2013 , 09:00 AM | #100
Awesome! It has been a while
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