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Good guilds still accused of hacks

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Good guilds still accused of hacks
 

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Totaltrash
01.20.2013 , 06:56 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by DaTimba View Post
OH so you're one of those people that makes baseless claims with no evidence to support it and won't put your name on it so everyone knows who you are, then you hide behind the EULA. We have a term for that on the internet, it's called an Anonymous Keyboard Warrior. Generally speaking your opinion is null and void.
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Anyways until you want to put some names on your claims instead of hiding behind a EULA I'll go ahead and quote Psi there and say "Just stay out of it bud, grown-ups are talking."

Kthxbai.
You are getting too enraged here, that's neither good for your health nor does it lend your opinion anymore credence - quite the opposite actually. One might start to wonder why you are so adament about it.

I don't use cutsy avatars or silly signatures. I don't mind if people do, but it's just not for me.
Looks like in your world those things are important, but in mine they are not.

Quote: Originally Posted by Asunasan View Post
You make an argument with no evidence. You point out that you can't furnish evidence because its against the user agreement.
You say give me proof of cheating.
I say give me proof that the guy has been banned unjustly.
Neither of us can legally provide evidence, unless we want to violate the EULA.

How about we agree that there is no cheating, but your buddy's ban was fully justified?

Quote: Originally Posted by Asunasan View Post
I'm Asuna, I heal for the best Pub team on the server if not the best team on the server. I say you're wrong.
I'm online gaming for the last 15 years and I have seen, researched, and in some cases tested, every cheat or hack for every game I have played. I say you're hypocrite.

(You cannot claim more competence and neither can I, so I hope you realize how pointless your statement really was?)

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DaTimba
01.20.2013 , 07:05 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Totaltrash View Post
You are getting too enraged here, that's neither good for your health nor does it lend your opinion anymore credence - quite the opposite actually. One might start to wonder why you are so adament about it.

I don't use cutsy avatars or silly signatures. I don't mind if people do, but it's just not for me.
Looks like in your world those things are important, but in mine they are not.
Considering you won't put a name on your statement essentially makes your statement pointless. For all we know you don't actually play on this server and you don't actually PVP. So congratulations on being nothing more than a forum troll.
Tairisa/Operative/The Harbinger
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agape_
01.20.2013 , 07:19 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by DaTimba View Post
Considering you won't put a name on your statement essentially makes your statement pointless. For all we know you don't actually play on this server and you don't actually PVP. So congratulations on being nothing more than a forum troll.
Agreed I think hes a coward probably very bad at this game, I ask him to give us proof he doesnt suck before he writes in teh forum again
Agapex: Level 55 PT
gods gift to swtor on the bastion

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Asunasan
01.20.2013 , 07:19 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Totaltrash View Post

You say give me proof of cheating.
I say give me proof that the guy has been banned unjustly.
Neither of us can legally provide evidence, unless we want to violate the EULA.

How about we agree that there is no cheating, but your buddy's ban was fully justified?

I'm online gaming for the last 15 years and I have seen, researched, and in some cases tested, every cheat or hack for every game I have played. I say you're hypocrite.

(You cannot claim more competence and neither can I, so I hope you realize how pointless your statement really was?)
I can claim more competence because I'm willing to offer up proof of my authority for my argument form authority. you can log onto our server and ask any of the better pvp guilds if asuna heals for the top pub rated team and they will say yes. You can then whisper asuna and ask if my forum name is asunasan and I will say yes it is. You gave me no such method of verifying your authority so you have no authority to argue from. Once again I'd prefer to use facts like the videos but you hide behind the terms of use which I'll admit is fair. It does force us into arguments from authority territory though, and until you give us some way to verify your authority you have no argument.

We can't agree that there is no cheating in this game but the ban was legitimate because it is logically fallacious. There can't be no hacking and yet have a person legitimately banned for hacking. BTW he isn't my friend, I played against him in fact. Not that that bit is really relevant. So since, as you pointed out we can't offer evidence we have to argue from authority, so far you have established none.

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leareth_
01.20.2013 , 08:54 PM | #85
Free soreyoxox!

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tpryan
01.20.2013 , 08:59 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by JP_Legatus View Post
So I watched the video, saw some guy moving left and right sporadically when the direction he would have walked in is quite obvious, and when he did get there he immediately got his face blown the **** up. Died before you even left the deadbox. It might actually be the feastest death I've ever seen from a marauder/sentinel.

I have seen a video where a guy speeds accross the bridge in a voidstar and I heard our guys all saying "oh yeah that guy is definitely hacking". In that video there was no erratic movement, he capped the door and he didn't die in 5 seconds like a noob.

In conclusion, I'm fairly certain this guy was lagging and not cheating because lets face it, nothing spectacular occured there except for the speed at which his sentinel face got put in the dirt.
so...you HAVE seen hacking videos...but the video i linked too (which is a hacking video) isn't a hacking video...or something?
we. have. the. biggest. server.
that means more people.
that means more hacking.
hacking exists. people know some guilds on Harbinger do it. story over.

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Asunasan
01.20.2013 , 09:17 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by tpryan View Post
that means more people.
that means more hacking.
There isn't necessarily a causal relationship there. But yes I agree hacking exists (though not nearly to the degree that the average forum goer believes). I saw a video of it happening in lowlifes on harbinger. I haven't seen it in 50s though on any server I play on since the beginning of last year.

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JP_Legatus
01.20.2013 , 09:25 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by tpryan View Post
so...you HAVE seen hacking videos...but the video i linked too (which is a hacking video) isn't a hacking video...or something?
we. have. the. biggest. server.
that means more people.
that means more hacking.
hacking exists. people know some guilds on Harbinger do it. story over.
Wrong.
People know of TWO individuals that have done it before, as those videos are the only two pieces of actual evidence of any speed hacking in the 13+ months this game has been active. The ONE who was on harbinger was permabanned long ago, was playing lowbie, was not joined to any guild prior to being banned, and the other guy didn't even play on our server.
The kind of ******** fuzzy logic you put into these hackusations claiming pvp guilds hack because of that one event isn't going to convince anyone.
Knowing that, I know of two cases where someone who never actually hacked was banned and then had their ban lifted due to there being no actual evidence, so even among people who have actually been banned the record is 50/50 at best.
In conclusion, l2p.
Plaje - 65 PVP Assassin
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Totaltrash
01.20.2013 , 10:09 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Asunasan View Post
I can claim more competence because I'm willing to offer up proof of my authority for my argument form authority. you can log onto our server and ask any of the better pvp guilds if asuna heals for the top pub rated team and they will say yes. You can then whisper asuna and ask if my forum name is asunasan and I will say yes it is. You gave me no such method of verifying your authority so you have no authority to argue from. Once again I'd prefer to use facts like the videos but you hide behind the terms of use which I'll admit is fair. It does force us into arguments from authority territory though, and until you give us some way to verify your authority you have no argument.
I neither questioned who you are nor did I request proof of your identity.
So you are a healer for a good pvp guild - ok good for you.

But enlighten me, how does that make you an expert on hacks and exploits?

I'm 2 generations removed from social media. I'm not on facebook, twitter, etc. because I value my pricacy.
Apparently in your world, being private means being wrong?
Would my identity change your view of my opinion - of course not!
The only "benefit" would be that you and your "there are no cheaters" buddies could troll me in-game, no?

Quote: Originally Posted by Asunasan View Post
We can't agree that there is no cheating in this game but the ban was legitimate because it is logically fallacious.
I'm glad you realize this, good job!

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Asunasan
01.20.2013 , 10:24 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Totaltrash View Post
I neither questioned who you are nor did I request proof of your identity.
So you are a healer for a good pvp guild - ok good for you.

But enlighten me, how does that make you an expert on hacks and exploits?

I'm 2 generations removed from social media. I'm not on facebook, twitter, etc. because I value my pricacy.
Apparently in your world, being private means being wrong?
Would my identity change your view of my opinion - of course not!
The only "benefit" would be that you and your "there are no cheaters" buddies could troll me in-game, no?

I'm glad you realize this, good job!
Your trolling is getting more and more obvious but here I go. Being a private person is perfectly fine, but it means you can't make arguments from authority on the internet. Since BWs user agreement makes it so you can't furnish proof it comes down to an argument from authority. I can establish some degree of authority on the given topic based on the huge number of games I've played and the higher level of observational skills / understandings of game mechanics implied by my playing with the best. You can do no such thing, because you don't want to disclose anything about yourself. Again that is just fine as a choice, but it means you can't win this argument since BW won't let you post evidence authority arguments are what we are left with.